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Hold up Nick........

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by ballgame, May 5, 2021.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Someone can be perverted and not be guilty of a crime.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Mad Hatters?
     
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  3. ballgame

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    I don't understand your rational. The man is human first of all, so he's allowed to make mistakes. However, if he did do it or not is still up in the air.

    But let's just say for your logic that he did it, you are going to condemn him forever and say he's a PREV no matter what? He's a man and what REAL MAN does not like having sex with REAL women. I always thought that was normal! Lol

    But If he did it, then yes he could've made better choices but let's not forget he's only 25 and how many of us have made BAD CHOICES when we were that age.....his are just amplified!
     
  4. Nook

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    Felon or sociopath.... or both?
     
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  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    My response was in general and not specific to Watson.

    For example, someone could dress in a bunny costume and get themselves off to old Martha Stewart reruns. Seems perverted to me, but they aren't breaking any laws.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Citation needed.


    BTW, you never did answer who you really are, this is clearly a sock puppet account and you are obviously a troll from the past so have the courage to admit who you are.
     
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  8. ballgame

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    Lol! Typo....HATERS
     
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    He is human and it’s ok to make mistakes, but……if your actions affect other people or harm them in any way, forgiveness and second chances aren’t as easy to attain.

    If any of it is true, those 22 women are the victims. Not Watson.
    If it’s not true, he is the victim. Simple as that.

    Wanting to forgive him before it runs it’s course is a little messed up. Saying it’s simply man wanting a woman is also messed up. These women didn’t have a choice, allegedly.
     
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  10. MadMax

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    I'm not trying to be a jerk, I promise, but this isn't how the legal system works really. First of all this is a civil case...guilt isn't an issue. Liability is the issue. The standard for determining civil liability is very different from the standard finding guilty or not guilty in a criminal case.

    Additionally, most civil cases settle before trial. Very, very few civil cases ever actually go to trial. In those cases, there is no determination of liability, innocence, guilt or anything else in those instances. There are usually settlement agreements between the parties, and the public (as well as league officials) are left to decide on their own whether they think he actually did the things he's accused of. He will say he didn't, but that he had to settle to move on from this...and some will believe him. The plaintiffs will say he did, and that the settlements, providing for payments from Deshaun to the plaintiff(s) are proof of that.

    I said in the other thread on this topic that I find it hard to believe that all 22 cases will be decided one way or the other IF THEY EVER GO TO TRIAL WHICH I DOUBT THEY WILL, BECAUSE WATSON CAN'T AFFORD TO RUN THAT RISK. Out of 22 cases, you're likely to have a jury in at least one find that he assaulted the plaintiff. Just one would be a really bad day for Watson, not just for what he has to pay out in that case, but for what it would further do to his image and the ammunition it would give for the league to punish him and for sponsors to stay away from him for a very long time. Watson can't afford for those things to occur, and so he will likely settle, in my opinion. The league doesn't need there to be liability established in court to suspend him for a very long time...and the sponsors don't need liability to be established in court to drop him like a rock for a very long time.

    As for his future with the Texans, he's made it clear he doesn't want to be here. He said previously that's because he wanted more input on the hiring of the GM and coach. I totally believed him at the time, despite the Texans saying they tried to include him but he went on vacation instead. Now, I find it very hard to believe Watson, even though I said repeatedly before the Texans have done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt. A 25 year old All Pro QB demanding a trade before he played one snap under an extension he just signed was completely unprecedented in NFL history...I think we have a better idea now of why he wanted out than we did before the lawsuits happened, but that's just my hunch. I obviously don't know for certain.

    If he wanted to be here, this would be a different analysis for me...but when a guy demands a trade after just signing an extension also has the kind of baggage he has right now, I'm completely fine with parting ways with him. I just wish we had done it sooner so that we might have gotten back the value we would have BEFORE he was sued by 22 different women alleging assault.
     
  11. Pistol Pete

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    Despite BobbyTheGreat assuming a sexual assault took place, he is right that Watson is going to have to stop going to jack shacks and quit crying about not getting a say in management positions. Any team that gets Watson doesn't need him to start right back going to handjob therapists. That will lead to more women coming out against him trying to get paid.
     
  12. Nick

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    Good synopsis.

    At this point, however, if the Texans and Watson want to improve their chances of value... (the Texans improving his value enough to trade, Watson improving his value enough so that more teams will bid and also that his current contract doesn't get voided)... there's really only one way that happens now.

    But it would require both sides to work together on it. Something tells me the Texans would actually be willing to do so. Team Watson would probably quote a song lyric.
     
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    Yep, he would have to play and play well this year. Cooperate with the team.

    That’s assuming he’s not suspended by the league.
     
  14. edwardc

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    And their most likely won't be any i'm starting to think that these women are doing this just for the money.
     
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    I get that we're in a rough spot, but I just don't understand what makes the Texans the worst run organization in american sports. Like bro...

    You're telling me we're worse run than these other historically run franchises? The Clippers owner was forced to sell his team, the Browns have had 5 coaches in 4 years, the Jags were a blown call away from being in the super bowl, and traded away all their players. The Lions haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. This doesn't even dip into the NBA with teams like the Kings, Bobcats/Hornets, the Cavs (post Lebron). The list is endless.

    I understand the frustration, but despite what we've heard about Jack Easterby, we're nowhere near as bad as some of these other teams out there.

    Making bad trades, doesn't put you into the "worst franchise ever" category. If our owner was out there sexually assaulting workers, or making racist comments, or being sued by former players maybe, but just because the team chaplin has more pull than normal, I just don't see it.
     
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  16. ballgame

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    There are Pros and Cons on each side of the Isle. My thinking is, it comes to two things; FORGIVENESS AND UNDERSTANDING!

    1) Forgiveness - If the Texans are TRULY, TRULY a God fearing Organization, as they proclaim, they have to be willing to welcome him back and not just him but this goes for all NFL players who have had previous issues. You have to be willing to set down with a person, talk to them and meet them where they are, rather than PRE-JUDGING someone based upon prior indictments. I'm not saying welcome in Hitler! But the Texans need to be willing to bring in those players and properly assess where a player is, is he DESERVING of a 2nd, 3rd or 4th chance....IF THEY ARE PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD, THEY NEED TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD AND WORD SAYS JESUS FORGAVE A MAN 7 X 7


    2) UNDERSTANDING - To me this is on Deshaun! Deshaun is not of blame in this situation; HE BACKED O'BRIEN after the Playoff debacle in KC, when it was clear that O'Brien should have been fired! I truly believe if Deshaun had of went to Cal and said he wanted O'Brien fired, he would have been out of here and that would have saved them from a REBUILD! Deshaun also backed Easterby initially. So, when things didn't turn out as Deshaun had plan, he wanted to go to Cal and say, this is how he wanted things to be.

    NO, NO MY BROTHER! You told me O'Brien is your coach, you told me you liked Easterby, now you want to pick the new coach and GM and Easterby fired. I think Cal said, he needs to make the decisions now, so he bought in Nick Caserio. I think Deshaun needs to understand, no organization is perfect, as with any employer there will always be problems. He needs to UNDERSTAND that he has made mistakes as well in this situation and move forward.
     
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  17. Pistol Pete

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    Oh, I agree, Finding an unlicensed masseuse who hasn't ever had a client try to get a happy ending is like finding a needle in a haystack.
     
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  18. edwardc

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    LOL you can throw a rock and hit one here.
     
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  19. Pistol Pete

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    There would be no market for unlicensed (untrained) therapists if something else wasn't offered because they can actually make medical conditions worse not knowing what they are doing, Also like it is with steroids in sports, it leads to others (in this case licensed therapists) having to do the same thing to compete.
     
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  20. H.D.

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    The only thing harder is finding an "unlicensed masseuse" advertising in the Escort section who didn't beg the client to ask what the price was.
     
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