History: U.S Performing Undisclosed STD Experiments on Foreign Countries

Not really. We know for a fact that Allied forces made use of German science and scientists in a variety of fields. We know for a fact that Allied Forces did this in secret. As this thread shows we know for a fact that the US has conducted disease experiments on live human subjects. Based on those facts doesn't it seem probable that the Allies might also have been willing to avail themselves of Axis bio-weapons research. As you yourself pointed out that a Japanese researcher who conducted biological experiments during WWII was hired by the US bio-weapons program. IN that case then this isn't even speculation but straight up proof that the Allied forces did use Axis bio scientists.

Your own words support the contention I am presenting.

 

One is a war criminal by any measure but the others are not. Do you not understand?

 

Are you saying that Shiro Ishii was a war criminal and while rocketry scientist are not (a debatable point as Werner Von Braun made use of slave labor in his rocketry program.) so the Allies didn't make use of Axis bio weapons research? But as you point out he was hired by the US as bio-weapons consultant? That only proves that the Allies did make use of Axis bio-researchers who committed unethical research during the war.

It undermines your contention that the Allies didn't do such things.

 

I don't get how this has become a subtlety so difficult to understand. Use of prison labor is a war crime, you kidding me? You sure this was on the same scale as what Unit 731 did to Chinamen in WWII?

 

If you say so....but naw it really isn't.

 

And what's truly sad, is that Paris Hilton is continuing these experiments today .

 

Are you familiar with the concept of WARP in baseball?

I mean, it's cool if you want to say any baseball player who doesn't hit .900 is a bad player. It seems to be kind of arbitrary, but if you are happy to say that every player who has ever played baseball is a bad player, good for you.

When I try and judge how good a player is, however, I look at the record books to see who has hit best in the history of the game. I can then place an individual's accomplishments in context.

I'm interested in "moral behavior above a replacement country". To me, that gives us some logical basis for discussing what is good and bad. And if I look at the most moral country in the history of the universe, I can write a thirty volume compendium on all the ****ty things they've done. That doesn't mean I am unable to appreciate the fact that they've done better than anybody else.

Because the truth is, if you are selecting some arbitrary/theoretical near-perfect measure of how good or bad people act, you're going to be disappointed every time. Nobody is ever going to bat .800 or .900 in a full season of baseball. If you want to hold that out as a measure of what you would consider acceptable, it seems pretty pointless.

Because (*news flash*) people act like ****. Always have and always will. It's written in the biology. We're clever and cruel monkeys, and we will always be fighting against the imperatives of our genetics.

But if you want to hold on to the concept of some Star Trek future, where people have evolved beyond money and hurting each other's feelings, I get why that holds people's imaginations. I just think you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for it to come true, as you are going to be waiting for a long time.

 

Your ridiculous finger pointing attitude is what allows tragedies like this to occur in the first place.

"It's not a big deal if we do this once, we're still the good guys by comparison!"