Historic North Korea/South Korea Meeting - Trump Peace Prize?

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Apr 21, 2020

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Ah, one of the great right-wing propaganda films of all time. The 2nd Amendment is always what kept the Soviets from invading and starting WWIII ya know.

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Apr 21, 2020

rocketsjudoka said: ↑

I do give Trump credit for meeting with Kim Jong Un personally. I think it was a good idea and maybe it did take Trump's unconventional touch to do it. That said I had very little expectations and Trump’s inflation of expectations, along with flat out lying about agreements, hasn’t helped. I also think his appeasement in regard to stopping joint military exercises with SK and threats to pullout military aid from SK if they don’t pay more have made the situation more difficult. Also while it might've taken Trump's unconventional style to get Kim to the table I don't think it's helping now. His "love affair" with Kim just seems odd and inappropriate given how we've practically gotten nothing from the negotiations and NK has gone back to issuing threats and bombastic languages. This is an area where yes Trump got an unprecedented meeting which opened the door but then we needed someone to take the negotiations seriously and realistically to make progress rather than someone seemingly more interested in inflating their own ego.
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They used each other to try to feed their ego - what was the use of that meeting? Kim actually fleeced Trump by getting him to give up war games for nothing in exchange.

Unconventional is great, but weakness is foolish. And Trump showed weakness.

NewRoxFan · Apr 22, 2020

trump continuing to defend and encourage the protestors... by lying.

jiggyfly · Apr 22, 2020

rocketsjudoka said: ↑

I do give Trump credit for meeting with Kim Jong Un personally. I think it was a good idea and maybe it did take Trump's unconventional touch to do it. That said I had very little expectations and Trump’s inflation of expectations, along with flat out lying about agreements, hasn’t helped. I also think his appeasement in regard to stopping joint military exercises with SK and threats to pullout military aid from SK if they don’t pay more have made the situation more difficult. Also while it might've taken Trump's unconventional style to get Kim to the table I don't think it's helping now. His "love affair" with Kim just seems odd and inappropriate given how we've practically gotten nothing from the negotiations and NK has gone back to issuing threats and bombastic languages. This is an area where yes Trump got an unprecedented meeting which opened the door but then we needed someone to take the negotiations seriously and realistically to make progress rather than someone seemingly more interested in inflating their own ego.
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I am late on this but I disagree that meeting with Kim was anything noteworthy, the leaders of NK had been wanting to meet with a US president forever.

They had been craving that legitimacy since the 80's.

It only emboldened the leadership of NK.

rocketsjudoka · Apr 22, 2020

I still think it was good to meet with Kim Jong Un as opposed with just threatening them. I'm less concerned about Kim getting legitimacy from appearing with a US leader and think meeting him the first time was a good move to defuse tensions on the Korean Peninsula. What concerns me is making concessions without getting anything in return and then meeting him again while still getting nothing. The worst was his step into NK. Trump is right that was a historic moment and it should've been done on the basis as part of an actual agreement. Not just some photo-op.

Invisible Fan · May 2, 2020

NewRoxFan · May 3, 2020

trump goes back to cozying up to kim jong un...

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE'S GLAD KIM JONG UN IS WELL, AFTER NORTH KOREAN LEADER REEMERGES IN PUBLIC

After days of wondering North Korea Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un was alive, he emerged Friday for a photo op. On Saturday, President Donald Trump, through a tweet, trumpeted the leader's return. A photo was tweeted of Kim at the groundbreaking ceremony of a fertilizer plant in Suncheon, which is about an hour north of the North Korean capital of Pyongyang. In reaction, President Donald Trump wished good health and wishes to Kim, who was silent from the world community for a while as rumors swirled he was in bad health. "I, for one, am glad to see he is back, and well!," Trump tweeted Saturday
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https://www.newsweek.com/president-...-north-korean-leader-reemerges-public-1501633

NewRoxFan · Jun 12, 2020

Wait... wasn't this one of trump's great achievements? Didn't he win a Nobel Peace Prize for this? Isn't trump's button bigger?

North Korea's Kim backs away from Trump relationship two years after historic handshake
"Nothing is more hypocritical than an empty promise," said North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Son Gwon.

North Korea said it was pulling away from the relationship with the U.S. two years after a historic handshake between President Donald Trump and the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un, in Singapore, saying there had been no actual improvement in ties.

"Never again will we provide the U.S. chief executive with another package to be used for achievements without receiving any returns," North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Son Gwon said on state-run KCNA. "Nothing is more hypocritical than an empty promise."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ks-away-trump-relationship-two-years-n1230371

NewRoxFan · Jun 16, 2020

Guess all those beautiful love letters and trips to prop up jong as a world leader didn't achieve the desired result...

KingCheetah · Jun 16, 2020

Wtf is North Korea up to?

NewRoxFan · Oct 9, 2020

LOL...

Nice of President Obama to show trump what one looks like...

ROXRAN · Oct 9, 2020

Winning the Nobel peace prize is like winning Eurovision. Congrats WWP

Dubious · Oct 9, 2020

KingCheetah said: ↑

Wtf is North Korea up to?
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They are out of money again and need to stir up some concessions.

NewRoxFan · Oct 10, 2020

trump sure showed those north koreans...

NewRoxFan · Oct 11, 2020

trump has failed in virtually every aspect of his job...

NewRoxFan · Dec 29, 2020

How pathetically dishonest and needy can trump become?

deb4rockets · Dec 29, 2020

NewRoxFan said: ↑

How pathetically dishonest and needy can trump become?

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Trump wants a prize soooo bad! I'll give him the "Piece" prize for the biggest piece of crap to ever step inside Air Force 1.

NewRoxFan · Feb 10, 2022

Still trying to get that prize...

Meanwhile...

18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments
U.S. Code
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953

rocketsjudoka · Feb 10, 2022

Trump is a private citizen and if he wants a pen pal in NK he can but even though he is an ex-President he should be getting no classified briefings or intel.

Invisible Fan · Nov 16, 2022

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...weapons-funding-materials-despite-2022-11-08/
Analysis: North Korea's missile launches show no scarcity of weapons funding, materials despite sanctions

SEOUL, Nov 8 (Reuters) - North Korea's record year of missile launches has shown its willingness to pour resources into producing and deploying more weapons than ever, supported in part by overseas networks that provide funding and material, analysts say.

Last week the country fired more than 80 missiles, including its latest short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs) and a new variant of intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), by far the North's most launches in such a short period.

Although North Korean weapon costs are not known, ICBMs in other countries can cost tens of millions of dollars, and SRBMs such as Russia's Iskander up to $3 million.

Analysts said Pyongyang's willingness to fire such expensive devices into the sea suggests the impoverished country's missile programme faces few hurdles despite being banned by United Nations Security Council resolutions.

North Korea must have either sufficient stocks of fuel and missiles, including complex machinery such as engines and guidance systems, the ability to produce new weapons quickly, or the ability to acquire what it needs from abroad, said Mason Richey of Seoul’s Hankuk University of Foreign Studies.

"Any way you look at it, it underscores how poorly sanctions have performed and are likely to perform in the future," he said.

Many of the missile launches in the past few weeks have been SRBMs unveiled in recent years, some of which appear to have been delivered to operational units. North Korean state media showed older SCUD-type missiles were also fired.

“The fireworks indicate that they have those missiles in numbers in stock,” said Markus Schiller, a Europe-based missile expert.

Even the latest SRBMs are several years old, which means that North Korea could have a stockpile, even if it could only build them at a slow rate, he said. He added that some, such as the KN-25 SRBM, are “definitely designed for production in higher numbers.”

FOREIGN NETWORKS

The scope of foreign assistance to North Korea's missile programme is hotly debated.

South Korea may uncover new clues as to how North Korean missiles are made when it analyses the debris it recovered from an SRBM that fell offshore last week.

When South Korea gathered remnants of North Korean Unha space launch rockets in 2012, it said it found components from Britain, Switzerland, the United States, China, and the former Soviet Union.

Analysts and sanctions experts say North Korea continues to rely on materials and other inputs from overseas.

"Russia and China are where most of the overseas North Korean ballistic missile procurement agents are based," said Hugh Griffiths, a former coordinator for a U.N. panel of experts that monitors sanctions on North Korea, and now an independent sanctions consultant.

On Tuesday the U.S. Treasury Department sanctioned two North Koreans working for Air Koryo, the country's flag carrier.

They were accused of procuring and transporting military materials, including electronic parts, from China on behalf of North Korea's Ministry of Rocket Industry and its main intelligence agency, the Reconnaissance General Bureau.

A U.S. government advisory said that among the technology and materials most sought by North Korea were multi-axle heavy vehicles to transport and launch ballistic missiles; steel, aluminium, and speciality materials containing titanium; carbon fibre and filament winders for making lightweight rockets; and solid propellant, including aluminium powder and ammonium perchlorate.

"To obtain these components, North Korea uses an extensive overseas network of procurement agents, including officials who operate from North Korean diplomatic missions or trade offices, as well as third-country nationals and foreign companies," the advisory said.

North Korea wants to import some 100 tons of solid propellant by 2030, according to the advisory. Griffiths said other materials are small, nondescript and easy to smuggle.

"They could be shipped in some instances using fast parcel operators like DHL," he said.

This year the U.S. sanctioned what it called “a network of Russia-based individuals and entities complicit in helping the DPRK procure components for its unlawful ballistic missile systems," including a North Korean diplomat in Moscow.

It also named networks of North Koreans and companies based in Belarus and China.

In responses to the U.N., Russia said it did not have any information on allegations of illicit work. China said it had investigated the claims, and found no evidence.

Both countries have said they enforce the UNSC sanctions.
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