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Hip Hop - The New N-Word

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Icehouse, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. Lil Pun

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    Obviously.
     
  2. Angkor Wat

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    I'm sick of people saying that hip hop is not real music. Yes, there is a lot of horrible rap music, but there is a lot of horrible rock, country, pop, ect too. If you haven't noticed, there is more to rap than what is heard on the radio and shown on MTV, BET. ect. There is plenty of intelligent or positive rap out there. They don't play it on the radio or sell a lot of records because the majority of people don't want to hear folks rapping about struggling, politics or anything else that you can't dance to.

    And whoever said hip hop is not real music because there isn't a live band has to be borderline r****ded. A lot of the instrumentals in rap songs are real live instruments. For example, Pimp C used real musicians and real instruments to produce a lot of his music. So please, don't try to speak on something you have no idea about. Mainstream hip hop doesn't represent all of hip hop. Just like how rappers don't represent how all black people act. Stop being so ignorant.
     
  3. MR. MEOWGI

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    DJing is not musicianship.
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    Please, make some sense. First hip-hop is not music, then playing a record is not music, then DJing is not music. Do you know anything about hip-hop?
     
  5. v3.0

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    Rap and hip hop is more then about words, its a culture, its about people telling about their culture in music. Yeah, it's music. It has a rhythm, it has a beat.

    I don't actually like the negative impact that hip hop and rap brings with it, but I'm not going to try to diminish and ignore the culture like you. Your opinions are like people who lived in Sweden all their lives watching TV and comment about people from Africa "They look so dirty and uncivilized :eek: "
     
  6. K mf G

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    and the ignorance continues
     
  7. v3.0

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    I've concluded that he's just a bigot. World is full of them, can't really change them.

    Wait, I knowing nothing about him except the posts he's made on some board, I just prejudged him based on surface material. Oh the irony. :eek:
     
  8. kpsta

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    As someone who rarely posts in D&D but does read quite a bit of the posts, I gather that bases on some of Meowgi's recent melt-downs that he may only know slightly more about Buddhism than he does about music.
     
  9. MR. MEOWGI

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    Oh course you have. What else could your little mind do? Someone with the opinion that playing a record is not musicianship must be a bigot. What else could it be? I love it when people cling to hip-hop as their identity. How weak is that? That is something the greats like Jimi would never do.

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  10. Lil Pun

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    So all anybody does in hip-hop is spin records, that's your assumption? What the hell are you talking about? Who uses it as their identity? Make some sense.
     
  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    I'm not assuming anything. It is what it is. Don't cry when people don't consider playing records the same as playing instruments.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music

    Hip hop music is a style of popular music, typically consisting of a rhythmic, rhyming vocal style called rapping (also known as emceeing) over backing beats and scratching performed on a turntable by a DJ. Emceeing, DJ-ing, breakdancing and graffiti art comprise the four elements of Hiphop.

    Typical instruments:Turntable, rapping, drum machine, sampler, synthesizer, human beatboxing

    Hiphop arose in New York City when DJs began isolating the percussion break from funk or disco songs.
     
  12. v3.0

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    you missed my sarcasm, genius. Me calling you a bigot has about as much weight as your opinion on rap and hip hop. Do you get it now?

    Music is more then guitars and drums, but I think you've inhaled too much of that stuff in the 60's to comprehend that.
     
  13. MR. MEOWGI

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    You are supposed to use rolleyes.
     
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    wikipedia

    that's comedy
     
  15. v3.0

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    :rolleyes:

    Satisfied? Or should I spin a record also?
     
  16. Angkor Wat

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    C'mon now, only geniuses use wikipedia to support their arguments. They obviously know what they are talking about when they turn to wiki for help.
     
  17. Lil Pun

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    So hip-hop cannot stray from that definition? It is what Wikipedia says it is huh? People have already told you many hip-hop artists and producers use instruments in their beats, it's not as simple as scratching a record anymore and it never has been. Do you need proof of this? Can you provide me proof that all hip-hop music is what you claim it to be? TIA.
     
  18. Lil Pun

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    Hey Mr., using your source of Wikipedia here is one of many examples:

     
  19. MR. MEOWGI

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    What is hip-hop then? It can't be everything.

    Hip-Hop killed the real funk. I resent it.

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  20. Lil Pun

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    Why can it not be everything. You have had hip-hop artists working with everybody from Aerosmith to Michael Jackson to Tim McGraw to Kenny Rogers and so on. It may not be everything in your eyes but it is definitely more than what you perceive it to be. I realize it is not actually everything but I am not so blind as to just dismiss the whole culture or music.
     

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