This sucks. I expect the Astros will get the baseball equivalent of the Colangelos who is owner/commish-approved but will run the team to the ground with bad decisions (see Sixers post-Hinkie). At the very least they can't take away 2017.
It's certainly a dark time for the Stros and the city. I was talking to someone last night who wasn't an Astros fan but was surprised Crane did this when considering organizations like the Saints brought back Sean Payton after a year long suspension because of Bountygate and obviously the Patriots never got rid of Belicheck after Deflategate and Spygate. It's a a very tough decision but I respect Crane for making that decision. What happens to the Stros after this I don't know but given the talent still on this team I'm not going to count them out.
People jumping ship is usually a sign of a bad culture or poor pay. Openly cheating by banging on a trashcan is a sign that culture is such that it is assumed no one would care in the organization. Hinch not saying anything about cheating to superiors. Trading for Osuna is a sign that winning matters above all else. Not firing Taubman when the facts came out. Coming up with press statement lying about Taubman event. There are a lot of things that show a culture that puts winning above everything else. Some people may be fine with that. Some may call it toxic. While I don't think other front offices are angels, there are plenty of reasons Astros have the reputation they do.
I hadn’t seen this. Wow! To me, this is 100% admittance that both the Yankees and Red Sox were doing the same. Any chance they receive similar punishments?
In my sports franchises I want it to be winning above all else. What's the alternative? Making the owner money. Which does me no good.
Justice: Do Luhnow & Hinch work again? I think AJ does. He's on an apology tour. "I screwed this up. I knew it was going on & should have stopped it." Luhnow is in a different spot. There was some jealousy about him in the game. A lot of people didn't like Jeff. That'll be a tougher sell. I've been doing this a long time. AJ was the best I've ever dealt with in terms of managing personalities, players, the game and representing an organization. I can see him selling himself to another franchise easily.
None of that is deemed toxic... not in the sports world or in business. People weren’t jumping ship... they were getting promoted/being put in charge. half the trangressions being cited towards toxicity seem to stem from the Taubmann incident... was he even there in 2017? He certainly wasn’t in the same prominent position he was before he was let go.
So you don't find it concerning that you have an open culture of skirting rules? Is that not toxic? Jesus. I Gave you you're link and now you're turning into Simone Biles. Congrats on your loyalty. https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/10/25/report-on-astros-front-office-culture-toxic-eats-you-alive/
Did MLB think they were going to bury this by releasing it on the morning of the NCAA championship? Poor LSU .. all anyone is still talking about today is the punishment .. lol
Not deemed toxic by you. Not reprimanding an employee for yelling at women and then releasing a lie to the press about it isn't generally considered toxic? On business world, I'd consider businesses that cheat in a work area openly such that those not involved in scheme know about it to be toxic. Cheating happens, but to expect everyone walking by to be cool with it suggests a general lack of ethics across a business (which there are a lot of places I'd consider toxic)....I'm picky of where I work. An employee not indicating concerns to a superior is usually a sign of a toxic culture at least to me. Not sure what timing has to do with toxic environment. The press release about Taubman incident does not get released in a non-toxic environment.
I’ve been watching and it seems to not be taking much shine from LSU. Folks care about college football more.
Then they should have banned/fired him for the Taubman incident. I still think placing all the blame on Luhnow for one subordinates drunken response is far reaching/witch huntish based on deep rooted hatred for the front office from an earlier time. Luhnow created the vast majority of his enemies in 2011-2014. Some went away when the team started having success. Others obviously held a grudge and this amplified response to everything speaks volumes.
If Luhnow was going to be a subordinate, I'd get that, but as the head of baseball operations, he doesn't really have to be well liked. Just takes one owner that sees how he built the Astros from nothing to take a chance on him. Being disliked didn't prevent him from signing free agents or making trades.
Has this already been posted? It's being reported by a lot of outlets: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/astros-sign-stealing-ruling-fake-news Astros sign-stealing ruling ripped as 'FAKE news' by MLB first baseman: 'Just want you guys to know the truth'
I still think the Astros screwed up, should have done a Sean Payton and brought Hinch back. I can't believe a sport that had Spit Ball pitchers and scuffers and steroids for so long gives 2 craps about sign stealing. DD
