Yeah. Landry really benefit from having T-Mac. Landry got a lotta easy dunks and shots thanks to T-Mac. I dunno how you can deny that.
I see Scola talking to Hill all the time, Hill would do well to listen and emulate Scola's game to an extent since he's lacking in the skills dept. He's got a great opportunity in Houston with big man teachers like Dawson and Sikma, I hope he realizes it and puts in the work this summer to refine his game.
Yeah, definitely. Scola is pretty unique in the league right now in terms of skills in the post, that's a pretty amazing opportunity for Hill.
Hard for me to compare the 2. As Landry was in a very good Rox team where he compete for scrap minutes with the likes of Harris, Scola and hayes, while Hill is the 1st big man off the bench.
I think it's not about stats, it's about when and how you can do it, against wich players, what situations. It's also about defense, intimidation... I always thought scoring is overrated in NBA, especially in middle teams, and Landry was overrated here because of his 16 ppg (if we had had Martin averaging 24 ppg, would you have thought he was a superstar?). Landry had no defensive presence, no rebounding presence, zero intimidating presence, all of them very underrated qualities. Landry is one of worst defensive rebounders in the NBA at his position. A player with this label can never be underrated.
Scoring efficiently with high usage is not overrated. Most people look at ppg and then wow he's a great scorer. Landry came in and scored efficiently with moderate to high usage. His rebounding has gotten worse as his explosiveness has taken a hit. Intimidating presence and rebounding are not underrated qualities as many people look at them....Landry would be a star with them. He isn't a star...just a good player. Landry was a highly effective offensive rebounder his rookie year and almost as good a defensive rebounder as Hill as a rookie. Landry isn't paid MLE money. Most on this board thought he wasn't worth MLE money last season. Anyone better than Ariza that makes less than him is underrated.
Ok, so if Yao missed 1/3 then he was there for 2/3s of the season right? And if Tmac missed 20% he was there for 80% of the season right? Then doesn't mean that Landry had the MacMing factor for 2/3s of the season? In fact, he was only by himself for only 20% of the season. Just because he didn't have Yao and Mac all season long doesn't mean he didn't benefit from them. You even ignored the other points that were brought up: Hill didn't have good coaching, and he is two years younger than Landry. Sure Landry put up more efficient numbers, but Hill has way better D at this point compared with Landry's rookie effort (which was Gay-esque to say the least). 10% efficiency vs better D? Pretty much a wash IMHO.
It doesn't matter where they were drafted. There may be multiple reasons this isn't a "fair" comparison, but that is not one of them. Where they were drafted is now irrelevant. I agree with one of the previous posters that Hill can develop into a 14/9 guy pretty shortly, probably by the end of next season. I'd put money on him never reaching Landry's offensive game, but I think in 3 or 4 years, he may be close. I'm thinking best case scenario, in his prime, Hill will be a 19/10 guy...
Landry is a great player but...... lets just say his talent does get you to the playoffs. at some point height is going to become a factor.
Landry is a great player but I think it's unfair to compare those two based on their first seasons. Landry played with Yao and T-Mac as Hill is basically playing with AB and Martin. Both of these guys play a different style of basketball. Landry is a great scorer and hustle player but he lacks in both rebounding and defense. As for Hill, he has shown flashes of his defense and his offense. I think the key for Hill is keep adding to his game. He is a very raw player and he only started playing basketball around 17. He has a nice shot and can hit freethrows. If he can continues to work on his defense, the sky is the limit for him. Rebounding and blocking shots are what the Rockets currently lack. He's shown flashes that he can do both in limited playing time. He can be big key to our success next year either through trade or simply keeping him on the roster...
I'm not sure I understand your logic here. In mid-December, the top 5 scores in the 4th were: Dwayne Wade Carl Landry Lebron James Jason Terry Carmelo Anthony (If anyone could find a current list that would be great) 2 out of the 5 guys on this list are not the best players on their team. Terry is wrapping up his 11th year in the league, and teams do not underestimate him. I have to disagree with the 4th quarter comment. The 4th quarter is commonly referred to as "Winning Time", and it is magical. (On a personal note, the roots of my Rockets addiction come from this time in the game. As a kid watching games at 3527 Southwest Freeway, I could always sense a change in the crowd with about 10 minutes to go in the last quarter. There was a buzz, and every possession seemed to be more important than the last. Not to mention that we had a fella named Dream who was our closer at the time, and he was damn good at closing out games) Teams "dig in" in the 4th, and up their effort and intensity. Good coaches will try to take away the other teams most effective weapons, and I do agree that Carl struggled with this adjustment initially. We will never know if he could have kept up the trend and stayed in the top 5 the whole season because the Kings don't go to him in the 4th like we did. My point is that the guys that make it onto this list are there for a reason. They close out games for their teams by scoring, or making the right decision when the double teams come.
This has been brought up a couple times, but putting it a different way, the two were asked to do very different things their rookie years. Landry was just suppossed to be a spark off the bench, and finish whatever he was feed. The only offense you have to know is the pick and roll. Try not to be a liability on defense. Hill is asked to anchor the defense, everytime he's out there. I've seen Hill play center with Ariza/Battier at the 4, a much bigger defensive responsiblity then landry ever saw. He's asked to finish and even postup some when he's the only real post threat. Hill also has to learn an offense where he's asked to be a passer, hit a jumpshot, be more of an all around player. I really don't think you can really gain much by comparing thier rookie seasons.
Forgot to mention, since Hill has to play defense, he expends more energy on that end then Landry did. I hate to bring up tmac, but I remember him always saying that he didn't put in full effort on defense because he saved his energy for offense.
I think you meant to say the TMAC bump. Most of Landry's field goals came off passes from TMAC after he drew doubles.
