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Hillary Has a Howard Dean Moment -- Drops Racial Bomb

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. nyquil82

    nyquil82 Member

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    Silly T_J, only Republicans can be racist!!!

    Likewise, only Democrats can be unpatriotic, just accept the reality and move on!
     
  2. vwiggin

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    *shrug*

    Good questions. I didn't say I was offended, I only said such statements were stupid.

    I can't speak for the African Americans, but I suspect the Republicans have a right to be offended for being compared to slave owners.
     
  3. Saint Louis

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    I for one am pissed because I would rather the focus not be on race but on whether you are in the haves or haves not. Yes African-Americans have less economically then Anglos/Caucasians/Whites, but focus on improving things for every color. I look at Capital Hill being run by a bunch of elitists, not by a bunch of plantation owners. A good chunk of Congress is not from the South and I bet there are plenty of Democrats who are guilty of acting in the same manner she criticized. Not so long ago the "solid South" was Democratic. I feel sorry for the African-American community if all their vote requires is someone to play the race card. I hope for so much more and would expect them to demand more out of their candidates. I disliked Hillary Clinton before this, but she absolutely does not get my vote now. Note to the Democratic Party, look elsewhere.
     
  4. Sishir Chang

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    Looking through this thread I haven't noticed any of the posters who I know are African-American (like Krosfyah, Rocket River, Aggie Rocket) have posted here saying they are offended.
     
  5. Saint Louis

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    It would be interesting to get their opinion.
     
  6. real_egal

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    Maybe we are all over-sensitive about the race card? Do African Americans feel that remark is directly race related? I am really interested in that. So far, I haven't seen any African American community leader coming out to condemn or criticize that so-called race card. Isn't that strange, if it's indeed a race-card? It's not like every African American is a liberal. How come nobody says they are offended, but rather those non-African American claim that's out of bound, race-card, and offending African American? It just doesn't make sense to me at all.
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    I don't think the remark was directly race related

    she made a comparison to a "plantation" where people in control have too much power and everyone else is disenfranchised.

    she could have used a different comparison but she used that since her audience might be able to understand / relate to it better

    but I don't think she was trying to say race had something to do with whats going on in the administration
     
  8. Aceshigh7

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    She and the entire democratic party are a joke. God, I hope she wins the nomination in 08. It will make it such a cakewalk for whoever the republican nominee is.
     
  9. real_egal

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    In today's political environment, only those with strong personality and position could win. Everything is radical. Mild ones seem to easy-going, you might think that they can satisfy everyone, but in reality, they satisfy nobody. If she wins the nomination, watch out, don't underestimate the impact of a good old Bill.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/17/gingrich-plantation/

    “I clearly fascinate them,” Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.” [Washington Post, 10/20/94]

    Personally, I do not have a problem with either Hillary Clinton's comments earlier this week, nor with Newt Gingrich's comments from 1994. The House of Representatives is run like a plantation. The majority party holds complete sway over the minority party, and the minority party has very little power in the House, if any. It's a completely different setup than the Senate, and it's something that the members of the minority party in the House have been b****ing about since George Washington was President.
     
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    There aren't enough :rolleyes: to give you and your fellow republiklans when it comes to the race issue's. Why don't you guys just stick to something you're good at...like illegally taking bribes and getting indicted, yeah that's the ticket.
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    It is only a "racial bomb" if you are a white person who doesn't like the accurate analogy.
     
  13. basso

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    If GWB for the rebulicans and Hillary for the Dems is the best this country can offer for a leader, then we are in big trouble. Sad.
     
  15. vlaurelio

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    just curious, aside from the use of the word plantation, what else is offensive or wrong in her speech?
     
  16. glynch

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    Welll the Democrats have come through for Black people-- at least in comparison with the GOP. The Dems have not consistently opposed Civil Rights Laws as we see with the Bush gang still opposing the Voting Rights Acts. They have spent money on education programs for Blacks and supported affirmative action and 0ther programs that the GOP has not. By passing tax breaks for the upper classes and cutting such programs as student loans the GOP has hurt Blacks.
     
  17. glynch

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    It is ridicuolous for the GOP the party who has an important segment the racists of America, trying to create a faux racial issue out of the remarks.

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    Obama said Wednesday he felt her choice of words referred to a "consolidation of power" in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

    The Illinois senator told CNN's "American Morning" he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that "the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input."

    "There's been a consolidation of power by the Republican Congress and this White House in which, if you are the ordinary voter, you don't have access," Obama said. "That should be a source of concern for all of us."

    New York Rep. Gregory Meeks also defended Clinton.

    "There was no race card played here. If any card was played here it was a joker, because that's who seems to be running the House right now if you look at the leadership," said Meeks, a black Democrat.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...av=rss_politics
     
  18. vlaurelio

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    I'm confused as well with what's racist or appalling about comparing house of reps to a plantation?

    ""When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about"

    "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard,"

    did she say house of reps was like a plantation because of white masters and black slaves?

    democrats and blacks don't have to give her a free pass because there's really nothing wrong with what she said..

    the gop may pretend that she's using the race card but they're just afraid to accept the fact that in the house of reps if one party has a monopoly of power and abuses that power, it can be "run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard" just like a platation.. the gop said the samething when democrats dominated house of reps..

    and its not like she compared the war on terror to a crusade..
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    She's on crack...Just another way to get her name in the news...How is this not offensive, but to each his own...
     

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