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Hillary Clinton 2016: Stronger Together

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JeffB, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    It starts when you have one party and the large media/propaganda operation totally controlled by a small group of uber rich who are very committed to lowering their taxes and acquiring more wealth. If to do so you have to delegitimize government and create gridlock that is not considered a bad thing, Until recently at least you even had many moderates convinced that divided government is a good thing as they, too, drank the anti-gubmint kool aid.
     
  2. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Supporting a return to very expensive proxy wars with other powers like Russia and China and or a return to the Cold War just because we don't like them having more influence in their immediate surroundings than we do does not show anything learned since the 1950's about foreign policy; nor does it help the average American or the countries we ravage by fighting those proxy wars in.

    Hey vote for Hillary, I am, but not because she is Cheney light on war and peace.

    Still hoping a bit that some sort of deranged feminism which requires showing more balls than the boys is the reason Hillary is so 1950's militaristic and that once she wins she will calm down a bit.
     
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  3. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Contributing Member

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    So Apparently she has been under investigation in regards to the Clinton foundation as well.

    She's about to get double whammied on that labtop!
     
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  4. TheresTheDagger

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

    Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

    Has America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?

    We'll find out soon enough.

    It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.

    FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.

    This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.

    So what should the Democrats do now?

    If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:

    They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.

    Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.

    Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.

    What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.

    The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.

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    Justice officials warned FBI about Comey's decision to update Congress

    But what will Hillary do?

    She'll stick and ride this out and turn her anger toward Comey. For Hillary and Bill Clinton, it has always been about power, about the Clinton Restoration and protecting fortunes already made by selling nothing but political influence.

    She'll remind the nation that she's a woman and that Donald Trump said terrible things about women. If there is another notorious Trump video to be leaked, the Clintons should probably leak it now. Then her allies in media can talk about misogyny and sexual politics and the headlines can be all about Trump as the boor he is and Hillary as champion of female victims, which she has never been.

    Remember that Bill Clinton leveraged the "Year of the Woman." Then he preyed on women in the White House and Hillary protected him. But the political left — most particularly the women of the left — defended him because he promised to protect abortion rights and their other agendas.

    If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.

    As secretary of state she kept classified documents on the home-brew server in her basement, which is against the law. She lied about it to the American people. She couldn't remember details dozens of times when questioned by the FBI. Her aides destroyed evidence by BleachBit and hammers. Her husband, Bill, met secretly on an airport tarmac with Attorney General Loretta Lynch for about a half-hour, and all they said they talked about was golf and the grandkids.

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    FBI's Comey acted out of 'obligation' to lawmakers, fear of leak to media

    And there was no prosecution of Hillary.

    That isn't merely wrong and unethical. It is poisonous.

    And during this presidential campaign, Americans were confronted with a two-tiered system of federal justice: one for standards for the Clintons and one for the peasants.

    I've always figured that, as secretary of state, Clinton kept her home-brew email server — from which foreign intelligence agencies could hack top secret information — so she could shield the influence peddling that helped make the Clintons several fortunes.

    The Clintons weren't skilled merchants. They weren't traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.

    All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.

    If a presidential election is as much about the people as it is about the candidates, then we'll learn plenty about ourselves in the coming days, won't we?
     
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  5. ipaman

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    Serious question for you political folks who know the rules. If Clinton stepped down before election day, can/would her current votes "transfer" to Kaine?
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    I think the Clinton camp is taking the wrong tack criticizing Comey for this choice. I really doubt Comey wants to impact the election, and to cast aspersions on his motivations looks really petty. I think they'd get better mileage empathizing with Comey having to make a hard choice and then going on to downplay the negative potential -- FBI says they don't know if the evidence is significant or not, Clinton knows there couldn't be anything, etc.

    I don't know the rules. But, I don't expect it would work like that. More likely, in this scenario Clinton would announce her intention to immediately step down upon becoming president, allowing the order of sucession to proceed normally to the VP. But it's academic anyway because it's very premature to be saying she should bow out, and she wouldn't do it anyway. It'd be a bigger blow to Democrat hopes for the White House than actual dirt from the FBI investigation. If she's installed and the FBI comes up with something later, the Congress can always impeach her. There's no need to demand hara-kiri from her right now if we know we can execute her later.
     
  7. leroy

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    I just want this to end. Lord help us if it's close 8 days from now and gets dragged out in recounts and the courts. I'm so exhausted by the whole thing that, while I've already voted and there's a clear choice to me, I'm not sure I care any more who wins...as long as it's convincing enough for it to be over come the night of the 8th.
     
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    Having an President under FBI investigation while taking the Oath of Office is sad and pathetic. She is putting her ego ahead of the country. The country under Kaine would have been perfectly fine for everyone except her.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Do you think if she stepped aside now (in whatever format that would require) that Kaine would win this election? If stepping aside means handing the election to Trump, is she really putting her ego ahead of the country? Imo, having anyone stand on Nov 8 other than Trump and Clinton would be undemocratic.
     
  10. sugrlndkid

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    FFS let's just reelect Obama for a third term. Or try to get Evan McMullin in.

    Too many baggage for these two candidates.
     
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  13. Cohete Rojo

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    She will be the first female elected to the presidency. As well as the first to be sworn under FBI investigation. Also likely to be the first female president to be impeached and removed from office. She could also be the first female ex-president to face felony charges.

    So many firsts for Hillary Clinton.
     
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  14. Deckard

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    FBI Director Comey violated the Hatch Act, either through brute stupidity or in an attempt to influence the election, something that is exactly what the Hatch Act is designed to prevent. In my humble opinion, the only reason President Obama hasn't fired the man is because it would appear to be in order to "help" Ms. Clinton, when in fact firing Comey is exactly what the President should do. After the election, in my opinion, that is what Obama will do - fire Comey, and I will applaud when he does.

    Meanwhile, we see the height of irony. Donald Trump, who has spewed countless insults and diatribes at Comey, now declares the man a "hero" for violating the law. Yes, irony abounds.
     
  15. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL......Trump supporters are going to be SO disappointed when there are nothing in these emails! Duplicates.........personal Huma emails only.
     
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  18. dmoneybangbang

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    It's to the point where policy doesn't matter. Trump could get on stage and rip a loud fart when asked about what his healthcare policy is and too many folks would clap anyways. People just want to stick to Clinton so bad they would elect a shady businessman with an absolutely profound ignorance of the world. Very scary times we live in.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    They don't care, it's all about being petty for them. We have some serious issues facing our country and Trump can't answer a direct question during any of the debates regarding his policies.

    Donald Trump is salesman and he is selling feelings not policies.
     
  20. Cohete Rojo

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    Wait. Weiner's sexting habits are Comey's responsibility?

    #blameitonlincoln
     

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