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But, tell me why should those venting China's problem on THIS message board? As if a lot of people would be interested, or will help to solve China's problems?

 

And let me be clear...I don't wish any ill will towards the Chinese people. I gave you only my limited perspective based off what I've read here from many of you from China. I've never been to China. I'm sure it's a beautiful place full of many warm, gracious and loving people.

 

We talk about China quite a bit on this message board it seems.

 

Well it is because this is a US based basketball fan site. There are tons of other message boards where Chinese people have been very critical of its own government in China. You can easily browse those, except you will have to learn to read Chinese.

I'm sure some non-English speaking Chinese dude is also pondering the same question at this moment, how come I don't see any Americans talk trash about their own government in these Chinese boards like I thought they would?

 

i have lived half of my life in china (youger) and half of my life in US. most of the americans friends thought i was born here, while most chinese i know can't tell that i lived here that long. i've been trying to preach the fact that there are no real beef between US and China historically. but for some reason, factions here are trying to make China into next "enemy". in the end, it'll hurt both countries. both countries have good stuff and bad stuff. except there is a huge difference in foreign policy. chinese stand is that NEVER interfere with other people's business while US pretty much gets in everyone's business. you don't want make too many enemies. no one is going to stay on top forever. the more enemies you have, the harder you fall. just make friends.

 

Fair point. But this site isn't necessarily a U.S. site either. It's basketball based site to be sure...but D&D has nothing to do with hoops. There have been countless threads on Chinese policy. And we have the benefit of a huge influx of Chinese fans to this message board because of Yao Ming. In this D&D we see MASSIVE criticism of U.S. policy by people from the U.S. and others who aren't from the U.S. I have not seen the same from Chinese posters here about Chinese policy. That's all I'm trying to say. What I perceive is instant comeback to any questioning of Chinese policy as if your mother has been insulted. That's what I perceive, and it's very different to me than what I am used to.

 

Americans are self-critical of the government or of certain person, on this board. However, when it comes to China-bashing, whatever piece of story is referenced, it usually leads to a conclusion in the first 3 posts, that "CHINA is this and that", "Chinese are this and that". Do you see the difference between "Dick Chenny is a warmonger" and "ALL Americans are warmongers"?

Look around every single China related thread, every single one of them is related to some policies or history of different government during different periods, but the discussion is always about "you Chinese", as a whole.

You got posters telling "fake" American Chinese to get out.
You got posters telling you "it's a well known fact that people from China are racists against blacks".
You got posters so excited posting Nazi picture in any China related thread.

Then, you got Caffery on CNN telling the world yesterday, that "Chinese are goons like they were 50 years ago", and the "best political team" laughing hysterically with him.

What do you expect ethnic Chinese posters to criticize? Yes, we are racists/nazis/goons?

 

1, Chinese government is as soft as Yao. When will they fight back on those anti-china scums?
2, Why can not they just stick to socialism? I loved that free education, free health care and job security.
3, where our tax gone? on Iraq wars? No. on CIA plots? No. where?
4, Does Chinese government even talk about politics nowadays? Look around, the outside world did not change much! wake up.

 

Now your turn. USA government, go.

 

Um...have you looked at any of the threads in this forum?

 

no, I honestly don't understand or have interest in non-China related threads. I am not feeling confident to talk about USA where I lived only for 10 years ... I always envy the guys who never been to China but talks about China like he is an expert.

 

I think one of the main reasons that we often seem to be defending the Chinese government is that, from our perspective, a lot of the criticism towards China in the west are biased and not true. Chinese government has a LOT of things that it needs to be criticized about, such as pollution, corruption, social/economic equity, but not on many other things. What we are trying to do is fight those false accusations.

Now return to the topic of Tibet, we see it as part of China, and it has been part of Chinese history for a long time, basically an outer province that has been in and out of the central government's control. What's the most important is that in the past several hundreds of years it has been part of China, and it has not been truly independent. That's why no one in China think of Tibet as an independent country. If you want to believe me, even a lot of Tibetans consider themselves Chinese. (I personally know quite a number of Tibetan kids when I was in middle school, which had an exchange program with Tibet. Of course I am just another poster on the internet, so it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me.) So basically Free Tibet sounds as ridiculous as it can be to most Chinese. Also it seems to us that the Chinese government can do nothing right in Tibet in the eyes of western media. If we don't help them develop economy, we would be accused of leaving them in poverty and starvation. If we help them develop, we would be accused of destroying their tradition and trying to assimilate them. It is this type of PRC-can-do-nothing right that made us defend our government, and it also didn't help that western media were using many false evidence to back up their claims in the recent events.

 

These non-binding resolutions are a waste of time. In a sense, Ron gets more power by being the lone dissenter...as long as the media doesn't misrepresent him like saying that he's dropped out of the Presidential race....

 

Every thread in this place is b****ing about some facet of the USA in one form or another. It really doesn't need to be rehashed in these wonderful China threads.

 

We love Bush so much that we're planning to entomb him in a glass case with embalming gas once his presidency is over. Because of budget reasons, we'll throw in Cheney with him.

We now know Chinese "blood money" is good for something...

 

I was asked by that guy to say something bad about Chinese government and I did. I dont think Chinese government should be involved in here either, but I did told you what I personally dont like about Chinese government.

I am eager to know the GENERAL bad things about USA government from that guy or your other US guys. I am going to live in this country the rest of my life, I want to b**** about USA like an American too.

 

I've always wonder if there has something to do with the pilgrim/missionary mentality deeply rooted in the religious belief of the west. That one needs to save the world from suffering and convert them to the correct belief. The mainstream Chinese philosophy is alway inward looking first.

 

Imagine you join another family for dinner and that family so biased and so critical of your family that nothing that they say about your own family is good and everything about your family is evil, would you join them to bash your own family or would you try to stand up for your family and the other side of the story. Now imagine you are having dinner with your own family, you wouldn't be hesitated to call out your family members if you see them done things wrong. See the difference?

 

As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

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Maybe he wasn't insane after all!? I look to China every day, and I see him and Orwell reaffirmed. In diplomacy we live in the age of realpolitik. In government, the age of propaganda.

 

Your perception probably has something to do with your Irish heritage, something you are used to?

It's a known fact that early Irish immigrants had some rough time in the U.S., and they took out their frustration and angst all on the Chinese immigrants -- particular those railroad workers in the Central Pacific -- whom the Irish considered "a handy butt for good, soul-satisfying scorn."

Relax, I am simply trying to test uber dork Obamaton's theory that one's thoughts and words are inherently linked to one's own culture/heritage. You shouldn't take it too seriously, since you yourself not long ago LOL'ed @ me for taking things seriously on a message board, didn't you?

Oh wait, but you did take stuff said on this board seriously, didn't you? Do I need to remind you that you once felt so righteously indignant that you called for my banishment because I mocked somebody's religious belief?

Save the double-talking and high-horse smugness for yourself, I say.

PS: maybe it's an Irish thing, but we Chinamen don't bring someone else's mother into a friendly conversation.