Just to give people another taste, watch from about 1:20 onwards and you'll see some high post passing from Yao. And mind you there's no movement whatsoever on these plays Like I said before, this will never be the norm but a way to mix things up. Also, I see this type of game being very common when Yao is on the bench. <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RY5fiHu73zk"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RY5fiHu73zk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
Talk about cringe inducing, another video of high post offense <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nXivctPcT8E"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nXivctPcT8E" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> I agree, if this is even half what Yao is gonna be then might as well trade him now. *edit High post offense is good. The idea of Yao running it in the form of Brad Miller would not be so good
I don't think it is as bad as everyone makes it out to be.... First, we have to remember these are two totally different teams Adelman's Kings and his Rockets teams. There will be similarities, but Adelman is not gonna dump what was working in Houston. We will score alot of points, but it won't be primary or strictly high post offense...see us still being at times and inside outside team esp. when Yao is playing dominate in paint....he still will mainly be in paint like always...but there will be couple of more high post plays or plays where is farther from the basket as usual to keep teams on their defensive heels. Which means most teams won't be able to collapse into paint like the usually do against Houston, because our offense won't be setup in predictable manner. Also, we have alot of other scorers floor, so it won't be as easy anyway to collapse on Yao regardless of what offense we're running.
Personally, the Utah series really sold me on the idea of moving Yao in and out of the low post. That series really exposed just how inadequate our offense is when teams figure out how to manage Yao at the low block. Unpredicability and flexibility are required so the offense doesn't get bogged down again. Not saying that Yao isn't a beast down low. But that (A)he needs to get good position and (B)the entry pass must be good means teams can easily take away the play. Now, if we can mix things up a little, opponents won't be able to concentrate on that one play. In the end, I don't think this can hurt Yao. If Yao plays the low post 60-70% of the time now, but is more EFFICIENT as a result(less TOs, higher FG%), our overall offense will improve.
Been watching Brad Miller since my days at Purdue. The dude is really slow and yeah he can pass and shoot but he's not a ball handler like Dirk and he can't rebound well for his size. He didn't even get drafted and had to play Euroball before he came to the NBA. Brad Miller with Adelman made him a productive team USA player. Brad Miller without Adelman and he's a shell of his former self. YAO is >>>>>Brad Miller. Adelman will employ a type of flex offense with team moving from high to low post back to high. It'll be similar to the adjustments Phil made in LA with Shaq. If they ran the strict triangle just for Kobe in LA as they did for Michael Jordan in Chicago, that would have completely wasted the talents of Shaq. Instead a great coach adjusts the plays of his team to match the talents of his players.
Actually I could see T-Mac playing the high post and feeding cutters. He clearly has the court vision and the ability to do so. Furthermore, what made Webber special was the fact that he could hit cutters, shoot the jumpshot, or just drive by his defender and go to the hole. T-Mac has that same ability. I don't think it would be a regular thing at all. Maybe on occasion but I think we'll see it here and there. Also, another thing about these kinds of passes is that the difficulty isn't the court vision. Most people can find cutters, the problem is the actual passing itself. You have to basically become an expert in bounce passes and have an understanding as to how and when to deploy a bounce pass or an overhead pass, etc... There's just a lot of basic fundamentals that goes into hitting cutters from the high post. That's something I don't think Yao has right now, he just doesn't have that refined passing skill to thread the ball through the defense. But that can be learned and hopefully Yao, Scola, T-Mac etc.. can pick it up. We need multiple players that can play in the high post for this to be effective.
T-Mac can't be in the high post. he's a PERIMETER player. the purpose of a high post offense is to let the big man (a 4 or 5) do the passing to quick perimeter players. If T-Mac is in the high post, that leaves two big men clogging the lane, and only two guards cutting and moving. T-Mac needs to be the 3rd guard that cuts and moves, otherwise the whole thing doesn't work.
not to take anything away from webber, but the majority of the video was passes against week-mediocre teams. I think it is the type of offense that made him flourish as a passer.
damn now i know why we sucked offensively w/ JVG. where the eff was this yao ming w/ the passing? if he pulls yao out sometimes and puts tmac or BONZI in there, imagine hte open space? my goodness. man, our offense is gonna be RIDICULOUS next yr. yao will avg 4-5 assists. tmac will push 30 ppg once more.
You are right on. I think Tmac will be in the high post a lot and we will see some Scola, Battier, and cringe Hayes and possibly Yao. But Tmac will be the most effective and no he doesn't have to play PF to be in the high post although that would be awesome.
Great post. Yao could be an effective high post player but it would be good to use him in the low post more often. Scola might be able to do it too. Not T-Mac though..it would be better to have a taller player like Scola, Yao or even Battier and if T-Mac is used as the passer that gives us one less cutter.
T-Mac couldn't play PF. He doesn't have the height or strength to play PF. Battier could play some PF.
Positional titles don't mean a hill of beans. What I want to see is player movement. I would like to see flexing between high and lower post with cutters continually moving in and out of the lane manuevering into scoring positions. I would like to see more backdoor cuts, and allyoops. I want to see Yao get the ball in the foul lane and opposing players not knowing what to do because there is a guard cutting in behind him. I want for Yao's and T-Macs scoring to increase because now it's easier because the defenders can't focus on any one team member. That's what I want to see.
battier couldn't even handle harpring for god sakes. tmac had to switch on him a lot more than he should have.
I completely agree. Having Yao play like that would be making him the soft jumper-shooting sack of crap that Skip Bayless thinks he is. Basically we'd be listening to Skip's reasoning for why Yao sucks and then making Yao play that way. WTF?? If Yao is forced to play like this, then he isn't even as effective as he was 2 years ago. Even if McGrady pushes 30 ppg, we know what the result will be, a FIRST ROUND LOSS. Yao should play up high maybe 20% at MAX. He is one of the two best post players in the NBA, so why should we invert the offense and have Yao pass to the ****** Bonzi or Scola in the post? Yao is the best post player we have, HE should be the one getting post touches. He is a fine low post player. If we try to make him into a high post player, he will suck, and we won't pass the first round, no matter what McGrady does. He shouldn't even be in the high post half the time. He should only be there maybe 20% of the time to confuse the defense, since that's the only advantage we'd get from doing that. Why should we put a player in a position where he's going to be less effective? I'm sure Adelman will realize this once he gets into training camp. If Yao ends up trying to play like Miller, Adelman deserves to be fired.
I think Yao's operational range should be up to the foul line. In other words, Yao should be roaming the baseline up to the foul line. If he moves in a circle all around the paint instead of standing at the low post all the time, he will be very effective. He will still be able to post up when he wants to. Especially when the shot clock winds down he should be at the low post.
well most PFs today are perimeter oriented (KG, dirk, bosh...). unless tmac faces a boozer or duncan, i think he can play PF for limited minutes. i remembered JVG putting tmac on bosh for a last possession a few yrs ago and tmac did a great job. he can certainly guard dirk. he can contain KG. unless the guy tmac is guarding is a banger inside (ala a boozer), he can guard that guy pretty decently.
