Science is changing. Traditional cardio has far less benifits than weight training and and other high intensity exercise like sprinting. This is true for weight control and disease prevention. A well balanced diet is probably a bad diet with too many carbohydrates. Saturated fat does not cause heat disease whatsoever. All those studies about doing crossword puzzles to prevent dementia are being questioned. Genetics are huge in determining disease probability. Also, the big killers like heart disease, diabetes, neurodegnative disease and possibly cancer can be thought of as metabolic diseases--so glucose disposal becomes the name of the game. I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but I have a healthy fear of the major causes of death, and to me, it seems like the best way to stay healthy and increase your odds of living a long time are to keep your muscles strong and keep your blood sugar low, low, low. Then, there is nothing wrong with going as deep as you want. Sleep, suplementstion, avoiding toxins, genetic testing, nutrient testing, and on and on. More often than not, if you follow the same health advice that your parents and grandparents followed, you will be bit by one of the big killers that millions die from every year.
Traditional cardio is running which is great for you. Never said anything against weight training as it helps maintain bone density especially later in life. Both are good. HIIT is also good. I'd still say cardio is better overall especially if you take up running. You talk like a bro science bodybuilder. Saturated fats do cause heart disease. They basically cause plaque buildup in your arteries making it harder for blood to pump through them increasing the likelihood of stroke and heart attack. This isn't opinion. It's an indisputable fact. It doesn't stop me from eating red meat or enjoying bacon but if you think daily consumption of both is good for you then I don't know what to say except you're wrong. Carbohydrates aren't bad for you. Another bro science myth from people that treat Paleo diet as Gospel. I do agree that you're not a scientist or doctor with all this misinformation. Lastly you don't need supplements. Unless prescribed by a doctor, none of the supplements you buy are even FDA tested be it from your protein powders, pre / post workout supplements or other pills you can buy online. So you can't even verify if what you're purchasing is what's advertised. But yes. Workout with a weight lifting regimen. It has many benefits to it. Do HIIT. It does wonders to cardiovascular health and it does keep your waistline trim. That said also throw in long distance cardio like running. The mental discipline running long distance gives you alone makes it worthwhile. There's nothing quite like running long distance and ignoring the voice in your head that wants you to stop and proving to even your own consciousness that you can be pushed further than even you thought possible. Nothing quite like a good runner's high.
Nothing in health is black and white, everyone is different, but if you want to take steps in order to prevent disease (which is what this thread is basically about) then "eat well balanced meals, watch the bacon, do lots of cardio, and you'll probably be fine," is lazy advice at best. You seems to think that any science that mentions low carbohydrate, high saturated fat or ambivalence towards lsd cardio = bro science = paleo worship? That's a shame, because I personally know people who are so far removed from that caricature who benefit from diets like that. A type 2 diabetic and a someone with severe IBS live far improved lives thanks to a ketogenic diet. Simply because crossfit/paleo nerd (no matter how obnoxious) believes X does not mean X is wrong. I tend to forget that health is like politics, people will ride with their bias even against their own or others' potential best interest.
The Keto diet was originally intended to help people that have epilepsy as restricting carbohydrates lessened the frequency of seizures. That's the only benefit to the diet. Any weight loss that comes from it is a result of water weight. Not actual fat loss which is what you really want. That's why those carbs balloon people up the moment they eat them. Ketones are an inferior form of carbs your body produces because carbs are essential for working brain function. If you could simply eliminate carbs then your body wouldn't even feel the need to produce ketones to replace them instead. But your body is dependent on carbs if only for working brain function. Since you're intentionally depriving yourself of carbs, your body has to resort to making ketones instead which don't function as well as real carbs do. This isn't so much that everyone is different, but that you're giving bad bro science. I've never met a runner who was on the keto diet. Know why? All those saturated fats clog up their arteries and their heart isn't nearly as efficient at pumping blood into their body because of it. I know so many people that hit the gym and only lift weight that can't even run a friggin mile without turning beat red. Again I never said just do cardio. I lift weights. I do HIIT. I do stretching exercises. I do yoga to recover on the days I don't run so that I can recover faster. When I only lifted weights I was in worse shape than when I took up running. I'll take a resting heart rate of 40 and low blood pressure over strictly weight lifting while having my arteries clog up.
I'm actually with you, though your handle renders you suspect, LOL. I live with Mrs. B-Bob, a pretty amazing scientist in her own right, and her extended group of scientists study health at the cellular level and they are all low carb / low sugar proponents. Sugar, in particular, looks like the reddest devil we have ever known. I still preach everything in moderation, but oh geez do I avoid extra sugar, just based on the data from a bevy of experiments. Check it: http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2016/09/40...ry-role-shifting-national-heart-disease-focus
http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet I mean I could go get my friend in nursing school's college textbook on nutrition if you'd like as well. I'm going based on that book's information.
Aye, I suppose I didn't plan on posting anything remotely serious when I made the screen name. 2003 was a long time ago. Thanks for the article. Food lobbies are insidious.
Where's your sources? I mean even B-Bob's link only talks about the dangers of sugar. Doesn't speak of complex carbs. Just that sugar is bad. Well no s-hit.
carbs are useless filler no matter how you want to rationalize it. saturated fat causing heart disease is a myth that has been repeated so many times it's now accepted without any sort of skepticism. same with the "need" for "whole" grains/fiber. CICO is a drastic simplification and well-balanced diets (aka Standard American Diet) are way too sugar-heavy to be taken seriously. obese people are usually insulin resistant, hormones out of whack and STARVING for nutrition - the answer isn't *less* of the "well-rounded" approach, the answer is to cut out carbs which serve no purpose other than to jack your blood sugar up and down all day. metabolic syndrome is a plague and yet "low fat" is still a recommendation - blows my mind.
I think we got a little side tracked from my original post. To make it simple if something bad runs in your family would you want to know if you got it or what causes it? Alzheimers runs in my family. It has effected 2 generations and now looks like it may be effecting the 3rd. Some of the cousins think we as a family should get checked out. Others do not want to know if they have it or not. I'm for getting it checked out, but I am kind of scared of what the results might be. I have a co-worker. Breast cancer runs in his wife's family. She does a yearly check up, but refuses to do anything further.
You realize that all carbohydrate breaks down into glucose just like sugar, right? Even complex carbs. So if you believe too much sugar is bad, then by default you believe too much carbohydrate is bad. The only debate is how much is too much. A standard "balanced" diet is usually several hundred grams of carbohydrates. That may be fine if that person is an athlete and able to utilize all that glucose. But for most people a diet of 300-600 g COH is keeping their blood sugar elevated for most of the day, and that is not good. Excess blood glucose is is toxic, and can lead directly to metabolic disease. Sorry if this is derailing the thread, but I see it as related. As far as the Keto stuff, I'm not going to go putting together links for you just to prove a point. There are numerous good books and articles out there for someone who genuinely wants to learn about it. If you were you would find that some endurance athletes like the ketogenic diet because less oxygen is required to produce energy from ketones than from COH, making ketones a more efficient energy source. Apologies to bodyslam. I digress.
No sources. Got it. Never heard of a marathon runner advocate eating no carbs and expecting peak performance before a big meet. Where did you get 300-600g of carbs from? The average diet recommended is 2000 calories. You're saying consuming 1200-2400 calories of carbs is unhealthy. Again no s-hit. That's not a balanced diet. That's just stuffing bread down your throat.
No need for apologies. You guys are free to argue your points all you want. Just leave a simple yes or no to the question.
Yes I'd want to know. Living in darkness of a problem doesn't make the problem go away. It just makes you ignorant and vulnerable to it. Knowledge is the first step towards prevention which is the best healthcare there is. Much easier to prevent health related issues by not getting sick than it is to fix something like cancer. For instance my sister has like 3 autoimmune diseases. Generally if you get one you're more likely to get others since often times you have to take injected immunosuppressants making you vulnerable to catching illnesses. My sister has psoriatic arthritis. She gets stiff if she doesn't stay in motion. To combat that she has to workout doing intense HIIT full body compound exercises as well as runs 4 to 5 miles a day. It keeps her body from going stiff and doesn't hurt her mobility at all. That said any health professional would tell you working out like that would be good for you anyways, autoimmune diseases or not. But frequent exercise is just another form of prevention. I just don't buy the whole no carbs thing. I believe people lose weight doing it but that's more because of denying yourself one of the big 3 macronutrients. You're limiting your food selection and in turn aren't stuffing everything you can in your mouth nor were you likely counting your macronutrients. So yes I expect people who are picky eaters to lose weight over those that don't. But that's not an admission that no carb is good for you. It just means be picky about what you consume in the first place without eliminating carbs altogether. Again as a runner anecdotally I can tell the difference in how my run is going to go based on what I eat. If I have a greasy breakfast high in saturated fat, I don't run as well and I can feel my food wanting to come up. Happened at the last little 5K turkey trot I went to when I had the bright idea of eating bacon and eggs before a run. Contrast that when I consume some leafy spinach, with an orange and some whole grain toast and the food stays down while I feel better physically as I run. My point is if you have to resort to a diet to lose weight or get healthy, it's never going to last since diets imply a temporary change in how you eat. Denying yourself of any of the big 3 macronutrients is going to have their negative consequences long term. The fact you have to drink broth to get over the lethargy and take supplements to get through no carb isn't exactly a shining endorsement of it. I've personally done the keto diet. I did the whole intermittent fast thing too. Both left me feeling more lethargic and less explosive in my workouts as a whole contrary from testimonies I'd read online and this was after months of being on the diet and following my macro intake very closely. Contrast that with consuming some carbs and a small cup of black coffee before a workout and I end up setting personal records and having exceptionally good runs. To the part in bold, yes I'm aware. What you leave out is that complex carbs take longer to break down during digestion resulting in feeling fuller longer while not spiking your insulin levels. Not to mention that carbs from fruits and vegetables provide fiber so you don't need to take Metamucil when it comes time to take a ****. This is common nutrition information I'm passing along. Too much of anything be it carbs, fat or protein is going to have negative long term consequences. Which goes back to my whole balanced diet post in the first place. And again you're equating eating 1,200-2,400 calories of carbs a day to balance which is misinformation. Go to google and search for your BMR rate while guesstimating your activity levels. That calculator will give you a fairly approximate estimate of how many calories your body needs per day. For most it is actually around 2,000 for people that live sedentary but if you're physically active then more calories are needed. The real problem is people underestimate how many calories they're ingesting in the first place or overestimate their physical activity.
TMI? OP, back to topic, I'm not *sure* I'd always want to know. I remember (before FDA cracked down on 23andme) when I first got my data, they had like a 3-screen series saying "Please be advised, there is no known treatment for Parkinson's and this knowledge will not necessarily help you or your physician." It was scary. In the end though, I *think* I'd always want to know. If nothing else, my wife and extended family would know what to expect and you could make a decent plan, even if it involved the unthinkable. (That's just going to the worst case.)
Personally, I'd want any information I could get. Can't take any mitigating steps if you don't know what you are up against.
its not a universal medical practice yet, but for autoimmune /hishamoto's disease, it's always good to have an extensive lab. test to see what's effecting gastrointestinal lines . The food/protein sensitivity that a body can't digest but reaches blood stream can triggers those diseases , symptoms improved dramatically by avoiding it
