Id be real curious to see the 19,000 thrown out votes. Which Im going to assume for the most part were people trying to vote for Gore, and the percent of which were slated as Bush voters or had Bush even notched. That figure alone would tell the story. My wife brought up a very good point though. Why not just allow the popular vote be the deciding factor? Any reason not too? ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
The federal hearing is scheduled for 2:30 EST (in about 10 minutes). Should be interesting to see if the court does anything today. [This message has been edited by SamCassell (edited November 09, 2000).]
My wife brought up a very good point though. Why not just allow the popular vote be the deciding factor? Any reason not too?" It's called the Electoral College Smokey as I understand it, what's wrong with the ballot is that, according to Florida law, all candidates must be on the SAME page to the left with the punch holes to the right. Now why this was not done in the first place is another question to be asking the designers. ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
What's funny is the line below the word Republican also points directly to the 2nd hold. Hell, maybe the problem is all the Buchanan voters meant to vote for Bush! When you try to find evidence to support an already-held conclusion it gets real easy to be careless. Your statement can be used both ways. dylan ------------------
Well if Letterman says so it MUST be true I personally don't think it is confusing.You have a clearly defined box with the canidate's name's and then an arrow pointing directly at the hole.Seem's pretty simple to me. Also don't forget about all the Florida write in vote's yet to be counted. I also think it would be very,very wrong to let this county vote over unless we do the whole country over again. However it turns out I bet the winner end's up being a one termer so it would probably be better for your canidate to loose and reload for 2004. ------------------
Yes MC it is called the electoral college, but if Florida cant be decided then go to the next highest count without FL. Gore wins. Also the Electoral college has three major desing flaws. 1. It was designed over 200 years ago. Not everything in the constitution should last for the duration of eternity. 2. It was designed to keep the vote OUT OF THE HANDS of the people. Back in the day, the designers of the Constitution didnt believe that the people could have the knowledge to elect a president. Therefore the Electoral College. 3. It doesnt reflect the overall views of the people. Who cares where the majority of the people live. People count in California just like they do in Idaho. But your saying that because you live in a highly populated area that your vote actually is going to count just a tad less than those who vote in Idaho, or Nevada. Its ludicrous. Dont give me that crap that it helps people in lesser populated areas. People are people are people no matter where they live. You shouldnt be punished because you live in a higher populated area. Which leads me to another area of this argument. Now heavier populated areas are typically more diverse culturaly. Meaning the percentage of Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and such are much greater in LA, Hou, and Chic, than it is in Boise, Topeka, and Pierre. Meaning that the minority vote actually means just that. It becomes a minority vote. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
I heard on CNN that 15,000 ballot's were thrown out in Palm Beach co. in 96. If this is true than these people don't deserve a revote.They should have learned their lesson last time ! ------------------
Also when those 15,000 votes were thrown out in 1996 and people requested a revote, the courts threw out their claim. Thus setting a precedent; there will not be a revote. ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
15,000 votes were thrown out using THE SAME ILLEGAL BALLOT. Thats important to note here. Which would only go to prove ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
I dont fear a Revote because I am republican. I fear it because it sets a horribly wrong precident. What bad precedent are we talking about here? That it's better to check and make sure the people's voice is heard insteda of electing someone on a technicality? I don't call that bad. It is NOT George Bush's fault that some people voted TWICE on the ballot, or voted for a different man than they originally chose. Nor should Al Gore lose because local Florida officials created an illegal and confusing (to some people) ballot. Election officials WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HELP VOTERS (apparently, only the sheriff is allowed to do this). This election is already under a cloud of doubt, and if you cast a revote we doom ourselves to revotes in the future. WHY??!?! If the people's voice is not properly heard, then something IS wrong in a vote. Why do people insist on getting things done quickly instead of properly? If judges determine it's not appropriate, then fine. What's wrong with trying to figure what is appropriate, though? Who cares if it takes an extra 3 weeks to legitimize the vote? ------------------ Is it any coincidence that the Cato is the only Rocket with a temperature scale named after him? I didnt think so!!!!
Fortunately for me I really don't care what Pat Buchanan thinks. I'm almost positive there has been. And guess what? If I needed something clarified, I asked for assistance! What a concept. To compare this to filling out a tax form is not even worth the time. Again, if I had a question, I would ask for help. Again, what other people think is really not my concern. ------------------ Scared into the voting booth, terrified of the ballot.
Thank you Freak... Thats the point being made here. There are over 5,000 call ins in the Palm beach area of people who asked for help but were told such things as "We are out of Ballots, sorry" "You already voted once, your not allowed to vote again" Like I said even the overseer of the election in FL (I forgot the offical title) has gone on record to say that the ballot has created misinformed voters, which lead to 19,000 people (almost all Gore supporters Im going to assume) to vote twice for Gore thinking they voted for President and Vice president. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
The people's voice was heard. From it, we can determine that they can't read and shouldn't be voting anyway. You can not look to the popular vote instead in this election. Although I'm not for the electoral college, it has to be used here. Imagine how many more voters would have shown up in, say, Texas, had they not thought Bush had already won their state. You cannot say Gore would've won the popular vote had the electoral college not been in use. ------------------ Scared into the voting booth, terrified of the ballot.
Freak. Thats about as ludicrous two statements Ive ever heard. "Yeah, I was going to vote, but since Bush is going to win Ill just stay at home." "Your stupid, you dont deserve the right to vote" Thank god were not a nation of Einsteins, or you might of lost your ability to vote. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 09, 2000).]
"The people's voice was heard. From it, we can determine that they can't read and shouldn't be voting anyway." Spoken like a true elitist Republican ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
Despite the problem, how interesting is it that we've got... A county government, The Executive branch, the state and local courts, the public, the parties, the third parties, the media, and state goverment involved in this one issue. Not to mention that potentially the Legislative branch could be brought into this battle. Despite the mess, we may have one of the best case studies for American politics ever. Whoever loses the election should write the book! ------------------ humble, but hungry. [This message has been edited by PhiSlammaJamma (edited November 09, 2000).]
There are still huge #'s of write in vote's that are yet to be counted so it's really to early to say that Gore won the popular vote ! ------------------
