You dont get it do you? The bashing of Juugie isnt because he differes form our opinion of Yao, most of us already know that Yao is inconsistent, needs to be more aggressive blah blah The bashing will always continue because everytime Juugie opens his mouth, thre has to be a loss first, he reacts to the firs bad thing he sees happening. He tries to taper that effect by making posts that amounts to patting Yao on the head and saying "good boy" when he has a good game. All his posts are meant to do is put someone down, maybe we just get sick and tired of him whining and moaning the same frigging thing every time there's a losing streak or a bad game by the big fella
You don't know what kind of Rockets fan I am. You don't even know me. I've basically watched 95% percent of the Rockets' games over the last 20 years. In fact, I remember when you had to listen to the home games on the radio because very few people had HSE - that's Home Sports Entertainment for you, hotballa. You say that my opinions are baseless. FACT - Yao Ming has never averaged 20 points or 10 rebounds or 3 blocks a game for a year in this league. OPINION - Yao Ming will develop into a dominant player in this league and lead us to a ring. FACT - Career average wise, Yao is just an above average player. OPINION - Yao only needs time before he has a break through year and dominates the league. I'm not saying that those opinions might not come true. What I am saying is that my opinions are based in fact. Not hope or predictions. Others here are based on what they believe/want to happen. I like my athletes to be fiercely competitive and determined. Those are the qualities I admire in players. Some people think being a nice guy is most important. They have every right to do so. People that love Yao because he is a nice guy and is classy and plays a cerebral game have every right to do so. I don't wrong them at all. I personally don't see the level of fierce competitiveness and determination in Yao that I think a true dominant big man should have. That's not a knock at Yao because he certainly has other great qualities. He has actually proven a lot to me in the past two years. But that's just my opinion. Just as some people's opinion is that Steve doesn't have the smarts to be a PG in the NBA. It's their opinion. So why don't you try offering up your own personal opinion and highlighting the reasons why you feel that way instead of attacking someone else's opinion, Hot Baller...errr...balla.
Here we go again. Time for the breakdown. I look forward to your response. This is so absurd it's ridiculous. This may or may not be true. But problems: 1. This isn't a "fact." It's an assertion of analysis of statistics. For it to be fact, it cannot be premised on your own interpretation of statistics. 2. It's irrelevant. Probative information is useful. This isn't probative, because there's little reason to believe that Yao's 1st season is relevant any longer in terms of analyzing his current ability. Career statistics are useful for either analyzing A. development or B. predicting reversion to the mean. You do neither here, but rather weight down his present statistics with his rookie statistics. Bias. Really? Actually, their opinions are based on facts, too. Any reasonable conclusion is going to be data ----> inferences ----> conclusion. Other people are going through the process. They're looking at 1. Yao's current developmental curve, 2. his size, 3. his skill level... and projecting that forward to predict excellence. You're doing the same damned thing, implicitly, but concluding that Yao won't develop as some think. See again: data ----> inferences ----> conclusion Opinions arent' drawn out of thin air. They're developed from different quality of data, then people make different levels of analysis, then they make different levels of conclusions. Opinions aren't irrational. Well, they can be - but those are relatively foolish. Good opinions have basis in fact and reasoning. Also, please don't pretend you're not insulting Yao. You are. And you're being disingenuous about it. You're tacitly asserting that Yao lacks certain valuable qualities, then hiding behind a smokescreen. Aren't you supposedly the one who eschews ad hominims? Hypocrite. Other people do offer logical reasons. Your logic is almost always terrible. Please desist.
Chicken Little, You say the right things and I actually agree with your assessment SOMETIMES. Your posts however always strike an inflammatory tone with me because all you ever do is dog Rox players (specifically the big fella). As a fan who has watched as many Rox games as possible since the early 90's I'm very well aware of our faults and strengths. I don't need someone like you to constantly bash my head in with these things that I know, its like a b****y girlfriend who constantly reminds you that you don't make as much money as some other dudes. We know our faults, stop lurking around waiting for a losing streak to begin your classic the sky is falling posts. If you feel the need to "educate" other people on this board, I'm sure most of us are quite well aware of your opinions already, so like I said in my earlier posts, move on with your life. Bashing Yao for his inconsistncy, lack of stamina, and perceived lack of agression is as old as labeling Franchise to be a bad player or "cancer" simply because he is playing in the wrong position. I don't dispute your points, I know them well enough, and agree with them, but give it a rest, try to enjoy the fact that we're gonna be in the playoffs. There will be plenty more knee jerk people to agree with your sky is falling routine once we get eliminated in the 2nd round. For now, let us enjoy the fact that we wont be a lottery team for the first time this century.
"To me, it's too simplistic to just throw the ball to Yao and have everyone stand around waiting for a pass out." Simplistic maybe, but it works. I would argue that dumping the ball into the post and playing off superior post play has been the prototypical champion ship half court offense. LA, SA, Hou, Bos, all had it. Chicago is the only exception I could think of.
Since Zone defenses came into the league, it's been tougher. LA uses the triangle offense to facilitate ball movement and to get open looks. They also have Kobe who takes over late in every important game. SA actually moves Duncan around quite a bit. They let him face up, and they run a lot of plays designed to let Parker and Ginobli penetrate. They know that they can't win a ring by just dumping it down to Duncan. They have to get at least one of Parker and Ginobli going in order to win it all. And they are smart enough to run lots of plays for those other two guys. You do not see them dribble it up, throw it down t TD and stand around very much. Also TD, Shaq, Hakeem, and Bird are/were all way better players than Yao so the comparison is not really valid. Maybe in a few years it will be.
I would argue that all players years are relevant. If you are going to project Yao to be on the level of the greatest big men to play the game then it is perfectly fair to compare his first two years to the first two years of other great big men. It's not even close. So to determine that Yao will achieve that level is based more on a personal opinion of where he is headed more than a statistical analysis. It's the same reason why LeBron gets so much attention. If you take the numbers of other high school players that came directly to the NBA and then became superstars like Kobe, TMac, and J ONeal, none of them came close to putting up the numbers LeBron has put up at 18-19 years of age. So while no one knows for sure what the future holds, statistically speaking, he is on pace to be one of the best ever. It seems as though it is difficult for you to take an objective, non-emotional look at the numbers. You probably don't think Amare is going to be one of the all time greats at his position but Phoenix fan would give you a long list of reason why he will. You are doing the same thing when it comes to Yao. And that's okay - it's part of being a fan. But please keep that in mind before you fly off the handle because someone may have a different take than you. Also, your last point is right and I offer an apology to hotballa.
Lie of the year! If you like him, why did you spew hate against him before we even drafted him, as I proved in a recent thread by pulling up quotes from you back then? You are clutching at straws to find something you can use to criticize him. I'll say it again, you are biased.
Who is this? 95-96 Min 80 43 28.7 4.5-9.2 .491 0.1-0.4 .286 1.3-1.9 .705 1.1 1.6 1.4 2.4 0.0 2.2 4.1 6.3 1.8 10.4 96-97 Min 77 77 38.9 7.1-14.3 .499 0.1-0.3 .286 2.7-3.5 .754 1.4 2.1 2.3 2.6 0.0 2.5 5.6 8.1 3.1 17.0
I don't know him personally. So I don't like or dislike him. The only hing I'm conerned about with him is what he does on the court.
I am wondering why people always thing TMac is a superstar. He is a loser. Steve is much better than him.
So how does 21.67 pts, 9.4 rebs, 2.2 blocks sound to you? Those are Yao Ming's averages over the last 15 games. Of course, don't let that stop you from bashing him. You are biased.
Geez, this lame thread is still going?? Guys, just ignore Juugie Fruit Troll and let's move onto other things.
No, you used it as a statement of current ability and value. Your statement is that his #'s were just "above-average." Well, the problem is, that if you're evaluating Yao's ability right now, his play last year is not probative to his current ability, if he has developed. Now, if you want to use it as predictive of future development, it is probative. But then you have to address fun things like the cultural adjustment, etc. Ok, though unfortunately there's not enough data to show much of a curve. What do we know? He's shown vast statistical improvement from year 1 to year 2. If year 3 shows similar development, Yao will be the best player in the NBA. That's pretty obviously statistically true. True. Although it's so tough to argue about stuff like this, primarily because of LeBron's ridiculous early athletic development. Most players his age don't have his current physical ability. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I take no position on Yao's eventual ability. I, actually, have no idea if he'll be a truly dominant player... or merely a very, very good one (which he currently already is, statistically). My motto in terms of arguments are "form over substance." I could care less what your position is. I want to know how you got there. Your rationale is generally terrible, which is why I consistently attack your positions.
