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Here come the Big Three: Lane, Everett, Ensberg sign!

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by ryan17wagner, Jan 25, 2007.

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  1. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    no...he can't. again, look at the stats regarding fielding range. everett has no equal at SS. as the Fielding Bible says, there's really not anyone even close.
     
    #21 MadMax, Jan 25, 2007
  2. xiki

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    As a batter it's not 3 hits every 100 ABs. It's when the 3 hits come, or don't. It's the timliness of the 3 hits.

    I'm all for AE but let's face it he and Ausmus and the 9 hole = the black hole of offense life.
     
    #22 xiki, Jan 25, 2007
  3. MadMax

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    no such thing. doesn't exist. you're talking about clutch. doesn't exist for batters with tons of AB's.
     
    #23 MadMax, Jan 25, 2007
  4. Lil Francis

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    Please. So you telling me AE is a better defensive player than Jeter? Jack Wilson? Khalil Greene? Jimmy Rollins? He has fewer errors because he cant cover as much ground as those players. Darren Lewis played centerfield for the Giants in the mid 90's and went like a season and a half without making an error so does that make him a better centerfielder than Ken Griffey, Andruw Jones, or Jim Edmonds since they commited more errors? No way. Everett has a good glove but its no where near the best in baseball like you claim it is. I just named you 4 better defensive SS.
     
    #24 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
  5. Major

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    Not only is Jeter is not a good defensive SS, but he's terrible. Or beyond terrible.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=120031

    They should read a four-page essay from the esteemed Bill James detailing the ways in which Everett is superior to Derek Jeter and how Everett easily was the best at the position the past three seasons.

    Dewan's sleep-deprived crew at Baseball Info Solutions came to that conclusion after watching video of every game played in that span and charting the direction, distance, type and result of every ball put in play.

    The resulting plus-minus system, in which every fielder (catchers excluded) was assigned a rating based on how he fared against an average defender at his position, greatly advanced the cause of defensive sabermetrics.

    Everett was assigned a plus-76 for the past three years, well ahead of the Pirates' Jack Wilson (plus-50), who was ranked second. Tejada, at plus-15, ranked 11th. Jeter (minus-64) was 30th, and Rangers All-Star Michael Young (minus-73) ranked 31st and last.


    They looked at and analyzed every single play over the last several years.
     
    #25 Major, Jan 25, 2007
  6. Zac D

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    Baseball isn't your first sport, is it?
     
    #26 Zac D, Jan 25, 2007
  7. Lil Francis

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    Jeter has made some of the greatest plays ever at SS so i dont care what that article says or how many errors it says he commited in 3 seasons. Anybody that think that Jeter is a "horrible" SS is nuts.
     
    #27 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
  8. Major

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    Except Abreu. :)
     
    #28 Major, Jan 25, 2007
  9. Lil Francis

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    Im sure tennis is yours
     
    #29 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
  10. Major

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    Fair enough, as long as you're OK living in lala-land. It's pretty much universally accepted within baseball that Jeter is a bad defensive shortstop. He's fantastic offensively and he makes a few spectacular plays (partially because of that lack of range you claimed Everett had), but he sucks for the most part.

    Somehow you value a few spectacular plays over looking at every single play over a 3 year time period. Awesome.
     
    #30 Major, Jan 25, 2007
  11. Major

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    Sucks defensively, of course.
     
    #31 Major, Jan 25, 2007
  12. Zac D

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    Congratulations!

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    You've got no credibility!
     
    #32 Zac D, Jan 25, 2007
  13. Lil Francis

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    Dude dont say stuff that I didnt say. I never said Everett didnt have range. I said he doesnt have the range of a Jimmy Rollins, Khalil Greene, Jack Wilson, or Jeter. I like the Astros just as much as anybody else in Houston but the guy is not the best SS in baseball.
     
    #33 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
  14. Major

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    Everyone in baseball disagrees with you. Every stat, every observer, every analysis. Believe what you like.
     
    #34 Major, Jan 25, 2007
  15. Lil Francis

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    Keep those great post that have to do with the best SS in baseball coming.
     
    #35 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
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    So i guess the centerfielder with the fewest errors is considered the best in baseball right?
     
    #36 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
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    Dude. Why are you trying to make committing few errors a BAD thing? Everett's sure-handed AND has great range. Do you want him to boot a few more balls so it looks like he's failing spectacularly instead of succeeding routinely?
     
    #37 Zac D, Jan 25, 2007
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    One time, I threw a basketball full-court and hit nothing but net. I must be the greatest basketball player ever. Eat it Jordan. :D
     
    #38 OldManBernie, Jan 25, 2007
  19. Lil Francis

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    What the hell are you talking about?
     
    #39 Lil Francis, Jan 25, 2007
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    #40 OldManBernie, Jan 25, 2007
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