I dont think race has anything to do with the Heisman. This one is going to the D&D. I'm disappointed in all of you.
I agree that it is Colt's to lose now b/c of the A&M game and the suckiness of Ingram this weekend. If he has an "average" Colt McCoy game against Nebraska, a good defense, the Heisman is his. I think Keenum should get an invite, and I used to be more in his corner, but come on now, the Heisman winning QB cannot have losses to UTEP and UCF...
Colt may not be throwing the ball as well as last year but he is pretty much responsible for Texas' undefeated season (so far). There have been at least 3 games that it was just up to him to be The Man. Plus I think he has earned it on the "career achievement" principle too.
I also agree with the majority that its McCoy's unless he has a Simmsian performance in the Big 12 title game.
Yes, Donny. Explain to me why he has the most passing attempts in college football and how that's so different than tech's qbs or why his stats should impress me with that number of attempts. Please conclude with telling me how UH will end up beating 0 ranked teams at the end of the year and how this is even more impressive to his heisman candidacy. UH beat a now unranked OSU team and a watered down Tech team. I'm just not impressed, sorry. I think Colt won it in the A&M game and Ingram lost it in the Auburn game.
If OK st drops out of the top 25 then Texas will not have beaten any teams in the top 25 either. Having said that though, according to CM, Houston's SOS was 109th while Texas SOS was 60th. Tough thing is, Alabama was 48th which means Ingram put up good numbers vs better competition than colt. If he has a good game and helps alabama beat florida, that seals the deal.
If I had a vote, I think my top 3 right now would be Gerhardt, McCoy and Ingram in some order. I would like to look back at Masoli's numbers for Oregon, too. I tend to agree that he should be getting some Heisman talk. I always find it interesting how people discuss the "voting" for the award in regards to region. It's like a presidential election in that sense, but I guess there are trends in people voting for the leader in their region. Also, I think Keenum and Kellen Moore should be up there. Jeebus, Moore has 38 td's and only 3 int's all year. That's fantastic against any competition. I'll be curious to see how many people are invited to NYC. What's the record? I know it's often around 5, but I've seen as few as 3. I wonder if this will be a year with 6 or 7, if possible.
UH's has a 60-40 pass-run split. Tech has a 20-80 pass-run split. Keenum has so many attempts because we run a "fast break" offense, which rarely utilizes a huddle and seldom has plays being called from the sideline. So in other words, our QB is running a 2-minute drill almost the entire game and calls his shots on a very regular basis. Keenum's attempts are an issue for you? Ok. Well look what he has done *with* those attempts. Incredibly efficient (4th all time active leader) and accurate (2nd all time active leader), how can you fault him for throwing it "so much" when he does great things when he throws it? Also We don't "control the clock" and we score fast, so the ball changes hands many, many times resulting in a lot of possessions for Keenum. Plus in many games we've been behind and needing to throw, and Keenum has pulled our butts out of the fire almost every time. I don't think you really want to have that argument since Colt McCoy will also end up having 0 wins against ranked teams. Sorry you're not impressed though, but you know what? You *know* that if McCoy had led game winning drives vs. Tech and (then ranked #5) OSU in the final minutes you would be tooting that horn NON-STOP. Hell, if UT as a team had somehow slipped up against UTEP and McCoy won it for them in the final minutes you'd probably use that as part of your argument, too. Once again, A&M's pass D is garbage and ranked below 100. If you're going to rag on Keenum for "weak" competition, you can't all the sudden change your standards when McCoy plays. I don't have a problem with McCoy winning the Heisman, dude has had a long, successful career. But I can't say he definitively deserves it for this year alone. However, it doesn't look like anybody really cares what the exact purpose the Heisman is for anyway anymore... Honestly, as long as they keep it as far away from Tebow as possible I'll be a happy camper
I think Harrell was hurt a bit by Crabtree. (heisman race obviously tech is no where near successful without crabtree) But one of those guys should have been in the top 4 last year to get an invite. No Keenum, no gehhart, nothing else. The 3 best players for the 3 best teams are Colt, Tebow, Ingram. That should be the 3 invited to new york based on recent history.... Assuming UT wins and UF wins. I think it will go to Colt.....
Oh, and as I mentioned before,I think Keenum should go to NYC, so don't take this as UH-bashing unless you prefer to misinterpret my intent! I was a UH fan during the Ware and Klingler days before I went to UT-Austin. I still like to see them do well....
^^I added in 2007 and 2008 to my numbers when I looked it up. Edit** Now I remember also, when I looked it up it was at the beginning of the season having an argument with bigtexxx (who else) when there were only 3-4 games into the season. So the stats weren't as fleshed out as they are now.
I just looked up this year's numbers because of the Heisman discussion, but if we are talking about trends over the last several years, I haven't done that. I could, but my newborn is waking up from his nap, so he might not think now is a good time!! Anyway, interesting to look at regardless. From my own anecdotal evidence, I agree with you that Tech and UH don't run the exact same offense. I think UH can KILL a team with the way it uses screens to both wr's and rb's if you aren't prepared for it. In a way, those passes are like a controlled version of runs, too. I think both teams do throw a lot, but it's done in different ways. Also, regardless of numbers, I think Keenum should go for the way he's led his team to some fantastic comebacks vs. Tech, Okie State and Tulsa. It's just disappointing that the Heisman doesn't go to defensive players anymore, or that it's grown to be exclusive to teams in the national title race, for the most part. I'd love to see a list of the records of the teams with the Heisman winner in recent years. I bet it's almost all undefeated and one or two loss teams going into the bowl games. It's not that the "best" player can't be on the best team, it's just that he isn't always. Hell, I would put Spiller way up on my Heisman list, but he has no chance of winning now, which is silly.
^ Agreed. It is just funny to me how some people will rate players simply because of their "intangibles" and "clutch performances" and then completely switch their criteria when it suits them to. And, fwiw, we don't run a lot of screens anymore... that was a Briles thing
To clarify for people - the ones invited to the Heisman ceremony are the ones that are reasonably close in the voting. So last year, the reason Harrell wasn't invited was simply that all the 1st/2nd/3rd place votes pretty much went to the big 3. But why would you have Ingram in there but not Gerhart? Gerhart's numbers run circles around Ingram (leading the nation in rushing yards and TD's), and he's had his biggest games against the biggest opponents. Plus, his clunker game (Wake Forest) wasn't nearly as bad as Ingram's, and it happened early in the season out of conference. If Stanford had Alabama's defense, they'd be undefeated too - against a much tougher schedule.
I agree. It's a travesty if Gerhardt doesn't go. Guy has been nails this year. It's fun to watch him play, and he delivered in that game vs. ND last night.
I guess what gets me is that if you took this.... @ UTEP: LOSS Keenum -- 51 of 76 / 561 yards / 5 TDs / 0 Ints @ UCF: LOSS Keenum -- 33 of 56 / 428 yards / 3 TDs / 1 Ints And changed it to ... @ UTEP: WIN Keenum -- 25 of 37 / 269 yards / 2 TDs / 0 Ints @ UCF: WIN Keenum -- 21 of 32 / 224 yards / 1 TDs / 1 Ints That Case would be an NYC frontrunner right now.
