Major, I think I remember this wrong. I think it was only a press release--but it was a press release.
Not particularly in terms of the ethics of it, but I do think it's different from spending an hour answering questions and lying that whole time. I would have liked, during the press conference yesterday, someone to ask about the whole "you don't do HGH just once" issue. It seems to be a big thing and yesterday was the perfect opportunity to ask about it. Or ask McNamee during the hearings since he should be the expert on how to use HGH.
Roidger As we have seen the ugliness of it all, bottom line: Andy admits to using HGH. Debbie admits to using HGH. Roger has denied using any steroid/HGH. McNamee said Andy, Debbie, and Roger used. Unless Roger changes his tune, we'll probably never know, so we have to make our own personal decision on whatever testimony is available. My opinion is that he (Roger) did use as like all the people around him and in baseball. I really don't care about what happened years ago, just as long as they make baseball clean with real testing.
It's more sad that there have been weeks of debate about this and people still think a) those not ready to lynch Clemens don't have any doubts about his steroid use/truthfulness or b) have a man-crush on Roger. Why don't you and DaDakota take the time and read over the threads and actually try to understand what some of us were arguing.
Roidger should have come clean, or at least admitted to what was in the report. Did he expect Andy to lie about their conversations?
I believe Andy did address that in his deposition (i.e. he was uncomfortable getting shot up in a hotel room, etc. and decided to stop).
Push back what lies? That he did it 6 times instead of 4? Ill acknowledge that some are putting Pettitte on a pedestal and I don't necessarily agree with that. I do agree with admiring Andy for being somewhat forthcoming while others have continued to swim in seas of denial. I don't view religion as a bad work like some. However, you undoubtly have a strong relationship with God.
Codell - I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. When Andy initially came out he did so with a press release. He crafted it with his attorneys, presumably. He made a specific statement as to what he did. The media lapped it up saying, "at least he was forthcoming." Since then, we've learned it was, at best, a half-truth. That it was deliberately deceptive. Yet I still hear people say, "Wow, that Andy sure was forthcoming...Roger should be more like that." That's the part I don't get. Because Andy was cheating just like we presume Roger was....and Andy lied to make himself look better. Religion has baggage to me that I don't think has much to do with my faith in God. Thanks for the kind words.
Maybe I am just discounting the difference/insignificance from being injected 4 times versus 6 times. Does that difference really make someone look that much better or worse?
The lie is what looks bad. "That was it--two days out of my life, no more." "...well, there was that time 2004, but..."
That's the point - Andy LIED, while Roger continues to LIE. The only reason Andy has gotten a free pass is because Roger has looked so bad. It's only natural to compare people in similar situations - and at this point Andy looks a lot better than Roger, despite initially not disclosing the full truth.
I'm fine with that analysis. That's not what I'm talking about. It's the adoration of Andy for coming out and making it known that I'm talking about. Which he only did with lies. I get the sense we're not all having the same discussion about the same set of facts.
i'm thinking 2 times. not injections. he said it centered around one injury roughly 8-9 years ago. turns out he did it again as recently as 4 years ago. i think it's being pretty disingenuous to seek sympathy by saying, "i've only done it once...and i just wanted to get healthy...." when it's not true. particularly when it's done in an affirmative statement of his own. a press release he put together. and i find it amazing that people are crediting him for being forthright and honest when he was neither.
It's worse than disingenuous (if I correctly understand that word to mean 'speaking from both sides of one's mouth'). It's a flat-out, direct, bold-faced lie. He didn't deceive with a half-truth or by nondisclosure, he told a direct lie: "that was it. Two days of my life." I concur. I'm still a fan of Andy Pettitte's, but I don't see all this praise his "forthrightness" either, when he plainly lied.
Andy is still lying. Seriously, what does taking HGH a handful of times do? Nothing. If you are going to get on it and recover from an injury, I can bet you do it every day for at least 2-3 weeks. Its not something that you take for a couple days and get better...that would be pointless.
Nobody is looking for an exact number of injections. Who cares? Did you do it or not? I wasn't gullible enough to believe Pettitte only used HGH once when he said it the first time. Who actually believed that? The reason he gets credit is he's the only big name to admit to doing anything ever, other than Canseco, to my knowledge. Even Palmeiro still denies using after a positive test (right?). How many names are in the Mitchell Report, or how many guys have come before Congress, and of those how many have admitted to doing anything? Does the exact number of times it was taken matter in any way at all?
No, unless you lie about it. "Two days. That's it." He didn't have to volunteer anything about how many times or how often. He volunteered that information himself, and he volunteered a lie.
