Nobody is saying a lie is acceptable. He's just saying lying under oath to congress is a hell of a lot bigger deal than lying-by-omission to the media. Can you see not see the difference?
I've got to echo DaDa here. Hasn't Roger's story changed much more often than Pettitte's? "He never injected me." "He injected me, but only with B12." "He never injected my wife, what a disgusting individual." "He did inject her, but I wasn't there. I was mad. I didn't even know what HGH was." "I didn't know I was in the Mitchell report." "My people talked with McNamee, but I didn't know that my stuff would actually be included in the Mitchell report." Are you kidding me?
Drunk driver after his accident: "I only had two beers." Drunk driver three months later after people see eight more beer cans in the car: "Actually, I had 10". At least he owned up to it!
There is no difference. There are no degrees of lying. A lie is a lie. And Pettitte did not "lie by omission". He said, "that's it. Two days in my life." Well, that wasn't it, was it. It was a lie. It's not that hard of a concept. I can accept that folks may view it differently, but to me a lie is a lie, whether you're under oath before Congress, standing at a press podium, pulled over by a policeman, filling in your taxes, or explaining to the wife where you were. Lying sucks. Liars suck.
Not in the key elements. To me, as his lawyers attested, there's an element of assumption that goes with some of those statements. When he initially said "he never injected me," to me it was clear he meant with illegal substances. Athletes being injected with painkillers and the like isn't very uncommon; it was something that went without saying. Also, to my knowledge, Clemens never denied McNamee's claim that he injected his wife with HGH. In Pettitte's deposition, Andy says Roger told him of that in 2005. If I'm wrong, please link me, because I don't recall that. I remember the "disgusting individual" quote from Clemens' attorneys, but I thought that was in reference to bringing Debbie into this mess in general and not to deny. Again, could be wrong. On the other hand, the primary aspect of what Pettitte said in December was knowingly a lie. To me, I see a big discrepancy between the two.
I don't have the links you ask for; you could very well remember this correctly and I incorrectly. There were, however, so many more holes in his various testimonies that were brought out the Congress (who still has no business involved in this) that ultimately I resigned myself to the old adage that "where there's smoke, there's fire."
For those who haven't seen, here's Andy's justification for his December statement: So, he couldn't remember in December that he used HGH in 2004? Right. Even his excuses are all over the map. He tells the public that he didn't admit to it because he didn't want to bring public embarrassment to his father. Meanwhile, he's swearing under oath that he completely forgot about it. Which is it?
So you've never lied once in your life, about anything, no matter how trivial? You sir, are going to heaven.
Look..if you make a point of holding a press conference to set the record straight...then do so. If you hold a press conference to "set the record straight" and then you lie like crazy...don't expect anyone to believe you...and expect your reputation for telling the truth to be damaged. Christian isn't something you throw around to earn favor...it puts a higher burden on yourself....not a lower one. If you're concerned about embarassing loved ones...then don't lie to the public in the context of "coming clean."
Ha! We are at a semantical disagreement. You said, "we all lie." If you had said, "we've all lied," I'd quickly agree. But, the spankings my Daddy gave me took care of that at a very young age. If someone is in his 30s or 40s and still lies, that's a big problem. A really big problem. I missed this gem earlier. Where was Andy's concern for his Dad when he first asked him to pick up illegal drugs on his behalf???
You avoided my question entirely. What if it WAS your problem? Would you have to reconcile those things I mentioned? I am asking you, do you hold yourself to a higher standard than other God fearing individuals? Im not trying to embarass you MadMax. I respect you, and I am looking for your honest opinion. W/O answering for you, I feel you would have done the same thing as Pettitte, as most of us would no? If so, do you feel it is unfair of you, or anyone with the same religious standard, to not, AT LEAST, understand Pettitte plight, while at the same time judging/condemning them for their "sin"?
While you didn't ask me, I'd like to volunteer that while I believe what Pettitte did (lying) is wrong and without excuse--I have no idea the pressure he created for himself in the first place. Would I lie in the same circumstances? I certainly hope not! But to act like I know exactly how I'd feel and how I'd respond is a little over the top. And, I don't mean to come across "judging/condemning" Andy. Americans get so damn touchy about "judging/condemning". No one's sentencing Andy to anything. He *lied*. It's plain to everyone. I can say that he was wrong for doing so without "judging/condemning". And, for the record, I hope Andy Pettitte has a great year (minus one massive ass-kicking in Houston). I'm still a fan of his as an athlete and a pitcher.
IMO, and maybe I am just cynical (or much more of a liar than most), the majority of the world are, from time to time, less than forthcoming with "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". My boss just now called and me and asked if I was working on a file I had to have done by 8am tomorrow. I told him I was going to definitely have it done @ 8am tomorrow, but did not tell him I was not CURRENTLY working on it because I was busy arguing about religion, HGH and baseball with a bunch of my geeky internet friends on the WWW. Did I lie? IIRC, daddy already had the goods. It was not like Andy asked gramps to run down to the crackhouse and pick up a score for him.
The press has no right to the truth regarding players and their lives.....lying to the press is find and dandy with me. Lying under oath...well that is just stupid....ROIDGER. A lie is a lie....that is friggen priceless....tell it to your boy George W... DD
I think we can agree here. 1) I don't like that Pettitte was not totally forthcoming and 2) I don't like he tried HGH to gain a competitive advantage (and I disagree with Pettitte here..if you are injured and using HGH to come back from an injury earlier than you normally would have, then that is a "competitive advantage" and technically, you are a cheater). None of that means I don't respect where Pettitte is coming from on all this, nor does it mean I can't believe what he ultimately says is the truth. Like I said earlier, no one can ever be believed, EVER, because everyone, at one time or another, has mislead, lied or not told the whole truth.
