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[Hearing of the Century] Clemens v. McNamee

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by tulexan, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. MadMax

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    Hendricks is gonna claim attorney-client privilege for that. The privilege belongs to Clemens...so if Clemens sued Hendricks, he couldn't argue the privilege. But as an attorney, the last thing you wanna do is blow a privilege for your client.
     
  2. Raven

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    Clemens should have kept his mouth shot. It's beyond me how he felt this would work in his favor.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Clemens has thought this through fairly well, he knew it would end up a he said/he said issue....

    He has the best attorneys money can buy......

    And he is guilty as hell.

    DD
     
  4. LongTimeFan

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    So technically, there's no way for them to get Hendricks to tell the truth? Say you were Clemens' attorney and you received correspondence from Mitchell but never told Roger about it - would you tell this to congress if they asked, as it would show him to NOT be committing perjury in your view. Or would you still claim attorney-client privilege? Point being it feels like Hendricks would just do this to save Roger's ass, but I honestly don't know how it works - so serious question!
     
  5. JunkyardDwg

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    And don't forget his initial denials of never doing anything...

    Denied being injected at all >> Admitting to being injected with B12 and Lidocaine

    Denied knowing anything about being named >> Admitting he knew of the allegations beforehand but did not know he'd be in the Mitchell Report

    Denying he was at the party at all >> Admitting his family was there but not him >> Admitting he may have been in the area

    Not denying, but his camp making the allegations against his wife seem absurd >> Admitting his wife took HGH but without his knowledge


    That's all I can think of so far...and as I said...even if he still didn't take steroids, he has screwed himself by not being completely honest from the getgo...because now he's losing all credibility. Eventually we might end up with, "I was at Canseco's house but we never discussed steroids." Well who's gonna believe that since you initially denied being there.
     
  6. Major

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    :D Think about how much money Clutch has made off the advertising off the endless refreshments of these pages!
     
  7. tulexan

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    Don't forget him claiming to know nothing about HGH until the time around the Mitchell Report/hearing, but then stating that he had conversations with Pettitte about HGH and after his wife took HGH and then had complications. Like he wouldn't do some research on HGH after his wife took it behind his back and then was having problems.
     
  8. Surfguy

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    He's such a nice man. Can't we just leave him alone?

    Oh...I need my own youtube video. Leave Roger Clemens ALONE! :p
     
  9. JunkyardDwg

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    You know I don't even really care...if he took steroids or not...even after all this mess I'd still vote him for the Hall...steroids or no, he's one of the greatest pitchers in mlb history.

    He's just gotta be such an ass about this whole thing...assuming he did do it (which I still can't bring myself to say for sure)
     
  10. msn

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    I concur with your PoV on all points listed.

    I'd put "Barroid" and even Big Mac in, too.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I agree, the problem you have is how do you put ANYONE in the hall that played during this era without suspicion of steroids/HGH?

    If I ran the HOF, I would have a section about the steroid era, but still elect based upon performance.

    The bigger issue is one of all time records.......I mean what do you do to Roger Maris record of 61 dingers? All the guys that broke it were more than likely juicing?

    That to me, is the bigger issue....

    DD
     
  12. JunkyardDwg

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    Eh... I dunno...athletes always find ways to gain that extra edge; well maybe not all athletes but some. I don't think it really matters what era it is; if it's not steroids it's some other form of drug, if it's not drugs, it's pine tire or corked bats or scuffed balls or vasoline or who knows what else. Clemens, just by his stats before and after his alleged steroid use alone, deserves a place in the hall. As does Barry. McGwire though, I kind of agree with the argument that he's not necessarily a lock even if you take steroids out of the equation; the whole one trick pony argument.

    I don't know if I'd devote a whole section to the steroid era, but it probably should merit mention...maybe an asterisk isn't a bad thing...but then I think you'd have to put it next to every player's name during that time whether they did or not...just to denote that it came during the steroid era (which is isn't really fair to the players who didn't use)...or maybe it should just be left up to us fans to educate future generations.
     
  13. msn

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    Meh. I've heard it alleged more than once that Maris and Mantle were hopped up on uppers pretty much all season long. Like JYD said, there's something in every era where guys are going for an edge. The 61* is pretty interesting, as you'd * a record that already has a *.

    I guess the 'Babe is still the King of baseball. I suppose most guys would take beer and sex over steroids, anyway. :D
     
  14. MadMax

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    I'm much more likely to give credence to Maris' asterisk, given he played in more games than the Babe, than I am to give credence to things I don't know for sure...like who was doing what and the actual effect on numbers.
     
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    Here we go... Pettitte speaking now.
     
  16. MadMax

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    "I always tell the truth...except when I don't...but then I tell the truth about not telling the truth....but when I don't do that, then I tell the truth about not telling the truth about not telling the truth."
     
  17. msn

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    Seriously--did he get up there and try to justify his lie in this manner?
     
  18. MadMax

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    He just said, "i'm only human...sorry for not telling the truth."
     
  19. The Cat

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    Dodging any kind of pertinent question. So much for him being forthcoming...
     
  20. Major

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    No - he talked about some stuff about not wanting to get his dad involved and such.

    When McNamee was originally being criticized, it was all about motive. McNamee has a potential reason; Clemens has a potential reason; what would Pettitte's potential motive be for lying under oath?
     

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