Kobe makes $19.5 mill, meaning the receiving team needs to swap $15.6 to $24.3 million in return, with the smaller number more important. $16 million is a fair number to work with. Howard + Terry = just north of $17 million. That would be a nightmare trade for LA, I'd say. Leaves you with no franchise player, no one with the potential to be a franchise player, and no prospects (picks) to gain one. Even if Dallas included a #1, it would be a pick in the upper 20s - worthless. You're also getting two moderately high salaries that run several years...arguably above what they're worth. I don't care if this is Kobe's desired destination - this would leave the Lakers with dimmer prospects than the Knicks. Chicago could offer a far more enticing deal. Hell, the Wizards could offer Arenas and it would beat the pants off a Howard/Terry deal. Evan
kobe is still holding all of the cards. if he doesn't want to go to ny or washington, then guess what...the trade won't happen. the longer the lakers wait to trade kobe, the less they will receive. someone said that kobe won't opt out of his contract because he would be leaving too much money on the table. hell, if rashard lewis can get some stupid team to pay him a max contract, kobe will have no problem getting the most he can and still be playing for a legitimate contender.
Kobe isn't holding all of the cards. Besides, he came to camp expecting to play, so he isn't holding the team hostage. Buss told him weeks ago that if there wasn't a good offer from Kobe's list of teams, he wasn't going to deal. Kobe conceded that and came to camp. All I was trying to say in the previous post was that a Howard/Terry offer was poor, and it is very likely that another team (that Kobe approves of, such as Chicago) could best it. But who knows, maybe Kupchak manages to out-screw up his Shaq deal. Evan
oh absolutely, chicago has the most young talent to make a trade with the lakers. i don't understand why the bulls won't let deng be part of the package. the only thing with chicago is since they have so many young players, they don't have big contracts so it is going to take at least 5 or 6 players for kobe to make the trade work. i take that back, i believe chicago is under the cap, so that won't matter. ok, let's say they are willing to trade deng, thomas, gordon, and nocioni, would you do that trade? that does seem like a lot of good, young talent for kobe, it might be 1 player too much.
As much as I hate to say it Kobe to Mavs makes too much sense not to happen. Josh Howard is an ABSOLUTE STUD. I believe he is easily the best player on the Mavs right now (Yes better than Dirk) and he is going to get better. I think with Lamar leading Lakers w/ Josh and Terry, they WILL make the playoffs. Kobe to Dallas obviously would work with freaking Kobe (super clutch) and Dirk (anti clutch) man that would be scary as hell. This could become very interesting I hope it doesn't happen as good as I believe Josh Howard is... he is not Kobe . Still as bad as this sounds it may hurt the Mavs, they lose a lot of their "depth" who starts? Kobe, Harris, Dirk and after that? They don't have a great team after that. It would be a better version of Boston.
So, Kobe has the right for his best interest, and Buss is responsible for fixing all this mess? Buss has to be the grown up and Kobe doesn't? Typical Kobe kissing by LA media.
I've been reading this and people don't think Howard is good. I don't know, everytime I watch him he becomes a better player. I think he is gonna be a future superstar, but its is definitely debatable.
howard is a better overall player than dirk yes b/c he also plays defense very well. but that does not mean he's a better player than dirk in terms of impact. howard does not draw a lick of double team, he can't create plays (look at his assists for a perimeter player). he's an all-star. dirk is a superstar. that's it.
Kobe put all this out to the media. and he FLIP-FLOPPED like a million times like a lil kid. buss simply states i'm going to listen to offers for kobe (he never distinctly said i'm going to trade him just like that). he has been grown up in my opinion. kobe has basically dissed everyone in that organization from the player bynum to the front office
Josh Howard is good. Jason Terry is ok. But even together, they are not Kobe. Kobe is the best player in the league. Kobe is not going to the Mavs. At least i am praying he doesnt and logically it just does not make since for the Lakers to trade him to someone in the West. I hate to repeat a lot of the same things being said here, but Kobe saw Lebron in the fnals. He wants to go east. His mancrush on being MJ makes since for him to go to Chicago and they should be doing everything they can to get Kobe. Heck, any team should be doing whatever they can to get Kobe
Dirk may be a star but a superstar shows up in the clutch and dirk doesnt. I agree that Dirk has some qualities that make him a better player than howard at times but Howard is only going into his 4th year and he is getting MUCH BETTER every year.
On a deep team, JH averaged 19 and 7 last year during the season. 20 and 10 during the sad first-round loss to the GSW. He is only 6-5 though, and has never played a full season. He's also 27 or so in age, since he spent his time in college. He's good, but nothing like Kobe. Terry is about 30 and going into his ninth season. Averaged 17 points and 5 dimes last year.
TOTALLY agree. That would be a horrible trade for the Lakers. To me the Bulls make the most sense with their young players and it would send Kobe to the East.
I know this could never happen, but I'd love to see Kobe traded to Miami for Shaq, and then see the Lakers win it all.
JH is a really good role player, maybe even a star at most. But if you want to run the offense through him, good luck with that one.
Even if the trade did happen, Shaq wouldn't be able to win it all by himself. And I don't ever want to see the Lakers win.
Minor point, but I don't believe they are. Sites like hoops hype list there cap number as $49 million, but that doesn't account for Nocioni's or Joe Smith's deals (~ $10 mill combined). Cap should be at or around $55 million. A good Bulls offer (IMO) would be: Hinrich, Gordon*, Ty Thomas, and a first. That's equal salary ($19.3 million), 3 young guys who all could be considered budding all-stars plus a first rounder for additional future help. Also, PG is crucial for building a squad so Hinrich is a major blue chip even if you don't think he's a franchise player. One snag is Gordon's contract status, but he might be more open to signing an extension over in LA. He's a baller for sure, but could you build a team around him? Is he honestly a franchise guy? Or is he a Shawn Marion type guy that's a secondary role All-Star? Howard's already 27 and hasn't put up 20 ppg in a single season. I think he could, but I'm not so sure he'd do well as anyone's #1 option. He'd make any team better for sure, though. I look at him as a better and more versatile version of Richard Jefferson. Evan
Maybe Dallas is his top option (which is odd, you'd think it would be Phoenix), but that doesn't mean Dallas is the most likely destination. He's not a free agent. He could go there, but I'd be surprised. Evan
