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Heard the Ticket in Dallas (Kobe 2 the mavs)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Aggie 99, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. rhadamanthus

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    What I'd like to hear (courtesy of Bill Simmons):

     
  2. DaDakota

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    I believe that Kobe is a chemistry killer, and all those games he has played are adding up, thus the knee problems lately.

    If you were the GM of the Mavs, coming off a 67 win season, where the team lost in the first round due to a bad match up, why would you blow up that team? That is crazy?

    Arguably Dallas has been the best team in the NBA the last 2 years, and now you would mix up the chemistry to Kobe? Sure he is a GREAT player, but he is also a chemistry killer, how have the Lakers done since they got rid of Shaq?

    Has Kobe led them to anything? I mean he takes a lot of shots, but does he make his teamates better?

    I believe it would be a massive mistake on Dallas part to break up their team, and if they do it, I think it only increases the Rockets chances this year.

    DD
     
  3. TeamUSA

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    I think Dallas is much better with Howard. Not good for them.

    Btw, I just saw the entire roster of Mavs getting off a bus, checking in at Four Season's hotel yesterday. Dirk was there trying to cover his head with towel, I ugess it was too hot yesterday.
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Does Terry or Howard make their teammates better? No. The Mavs don't get a lot of assists as they are. Who is more on the downside of their career: Kobe or Terry? Terry. Like I said earlier, you are overrating the chemistry on the Mavs team. It isn't quite like you think, partially because of Dirk's collapse against the Warriors. AJ is the glue that holds the Mavs together, not Howard or Terry.

    With the emergence of Harris, Terry is a very expensive declining player. He isn't the same guy from 04/05. The proposed trade is closer to Kobe for Howard straight up than you think. That trade would be bad for all of the other WC contenders. Fortunately, it won't happen.
     
  5. Tuan

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    No, the problem is Dallas has been the one of the best team in the NBA over the last two years but have been unable to close the deal when needed. They would be CRAZY if they didnt add Kobe when they had a chance. And would Shaq of won anything without Wade? How did Shaq fair last year when he had to be the number option with an injured Wade?

    You keep saying Kobe is a chemistry killer but he has won 3 championships. Over the last 3 years, he has kept the Lakers in the playoffs and that is an accomplishment in its own. Have you seen the Lakers roster? It has been worse than ours.
     
  6. hooroo

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    Replace the choking Dirk with Kobe and Mavs would have won over the Heat.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    It takes a WHILE to learn how to win it all, and not all great teams accomplish that feat.

    Howard is a MASSIVE glue guy who is just starting to reach his potential.....

    Look, I hope the Mavs do the trade, IMO it will be good for the Rockets.

    As for the Lakers roster being worse, well, it has not been great, but Odom is a good player, and they are not devoid of talent.

    Make Kobe honor his contract, he made his bed by forcing Shaq out.....and then signed the fat extension.

    Screw him.

    DD
     
  8. Major

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    Too bad we're talking about their current teams instead of history, eh?

    Actually, that's the very definition of opinion. People said the same about the Mavs last year.

    You like making irrelevant comments, it seems. Weird.

    And not making it past the first round for a decade. Unfortunately for us, none of the guys who played on any of those good teams you mention are on the current team. That again makes it irrelevant when talking about today's teams.

    Ummm, Rockets fans are much more obsessed with the Mavs these days than Mavs fans are with the Rockets. I would venture to guess the Mavs are much more concerned with the Spurs and Suns as their rivals.

    So Mavs fans, because they won a series two years ago in 7 games, then followed that up by having plenty of success and being one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NBA while the other team proceeded to miss the playoffs the following year - should think the other team is relevant? What on earth? :confused:
     
  9. heypartner

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    what is a MASSIVE glue guy?

    Is that sorta like Otis Thorpe for the '94 Rockets? The guy we traded the next year for ... um ... an aging Clyde Drexler.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    No, it is a guy who does a lot more for the team than the stats show.

    Shane Battier is one, Josh Howard is a better one.

    DD
     
  11. Tuan

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    Again, most of what you are saying is FLUFF. What evidence do you have to say that Josh Howard is a MASSIVE glue guy? The guy has gotten better every year, but some of you guys OVERRATED him like nobodys business. Maybe its me, but I have yet to see him accomplish anything worthwhile in the playoffs. He gets consistently torched by opposing two guard, and he doesnt even guard the opposing team best offensive player!
     
  12. jakedasnake

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    I was listening to other speculation about Kobe to the Mavs and they were hypothetically throwing out Kobe for Dirk straight up. A majority of the Mavs fans that called in said they would never do that trade. What a bunch of idiots.
     
  13. heypartner

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    so, what makes him a MASSIVE glue guy. Name another MASSIVE glue guy. Or are you saying Battier is one.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Whatever, HP. You know exactly what I am talking about.

    67 wins in the regular season is not evidence?

    :rolleyes:
     
  15. superden

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    I'd do that in a heart beat.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    I would not trade Dirk for Kobe.

    I think Dirk is a better team guy, and they have a better chance of success with Dirk than with Kobe....

    Dirk is a mismatch every night, PFs with his skills are hard to find.

    Yes, Kobe is the best player in the game, but there are lots of SG/SFs that are in the same ball park as him.

    Dirk doesn't have as many players in his neighborhood at the PF position that can do what he does.

    DD
     
  17. jakedasnake

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    I know right. I couldn't believe my ears when people were not agreeing to that trade. The big question is why would the Lakers do that trade for Dirk. I would ask for something else like in that deal as well and then maybe the Lakers would think about it.
     
  18. Tuan

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    How is that evidence that he is a GLUE guy? Please explain to me. Are you saying the Mavs would of won 67 games without DIRK? Without a deep team? Did they not continue to win when he got hurt last year? If I remember correctly, he was out for 2-3 weeks or more and they still won. If he was a "glue" guy, why didnt they stumble? :confused:
     
  19. Tuan

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    Yea, and you wouldnt trade for MJ, because guys like Drexler, Mitch Richmond, and Dominque had similar skill sets right? LOL

    Just because Dirk can shoot well for a big guy doesnt mean he is better. What else can he do that is better is better than most big men in the game today? Does he rebound as well as most? Does he defend as well as most? Does he make his teammates better? Does he block shots? Does he change the game defensively? The answer to all of the above is a HELL NO.
     
  20. jakedasnake

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    I think they would only win about 60 games during the season. It is In the playoffs where Kobe;s contribution will show more than anything.
     

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