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HD Format War Officially Over

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, Feb 16, 2008.

  1. tinman

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    you need a VGA input, which my TV doesn't have.

    I read you can get a VGA to HDMI converter on ebay. but i'm skeptical that those are any good.
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    The VGA cable does upscaling for the regular drive. The HD-DVD add on upscales through all connections.

    I bought the VGA cable originally and for me it sucked. I read that peoples milage greatly varied with it.
     
  3. tinman

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    I can run HD DVDs at 720p via component but nada for regular dvds.
    yeah the VGA connection is based on how your TV does VGA.
     
  4. Master Baiter

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    Hmm, maybe I had it wrong. We have another 360 upstairs with an HD-DVD add on and the kids use it to watch DVD's as well. It seems to do well enough even though it doesn't have HDMI out. It uses component.
     
  5. tinman

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    you can check by hitting the 'info' button on your tv.
     
  6. H-Town Info

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    http://www.krunker.com/2006/11/12/xbox-360-hd-dvd-player-review/

    Q: Will the HD DVD player upconvert current DVD titles

    A: If you use component cables, the player will not upconvert DVD titles. If you connect a VGA cable between the 360 and the TV set, you can upconvert your DVD titles to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p - depending on what your TV supports

    FYI - This review doesn't talk about HDMI since there's no connection back then with the 360. I'm 99.9% sure u can upscale with HDMI.
     
  7. tinman

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    Oh I know that you can upscale via HDMI. I'm ticked that they never had the HDMI on the old systems.
    however, the early HDTVs didn't have HDMIs either.

    you know the reasoning for HDMI right? its not the single cable excuse.. its so they can have some copyright protection. its crap. some dvd players have hacks where you can upscale via component.

    also there has been wierd handshaking issues with HDMI. i had that earlier with my TimeWarner box. they've fixed that. but these idiots need to quite changing standards so quickly. hdmi 1.3 is out. how many people have 1.3 compatible equipment?
     
  8. Jeremiah

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    Can you please expand on that a bit? bit-for-bit, does it compare with component? I thought that HDMI was the next big sh!te. I'm really not happy if it's all a big copyright protection scheme.
     
  9. tinman

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    component doesn't have HDCP on it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
    High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) is a form of digital copy protection developed by Intel Corporation to protect digital audio and video content as it travels across DisplayPort, Digital Visual Interface (DVI), High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI), Gigabit Video Interface (GVIF), or Unified Display Interface (UDI) connections. The specification is proprietary, and implementing HDCP requires a license.


    Pre-2005 HDMI and DVI formats already displayed HD resolutions that HDCP provides but without any digital protection. As HDCP is being introduced as mainstream, plasma, LCD TVs, monitors and projectors with HDMI and DVI displays (all models pre 2005) will not be able to display HDCP material.
     
  10. Jeremiah

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    Oh wow. Thanks, tinman. Lots of food for thought there. Any insight?
     
  11. tinman

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    i've noticed that HDMI is slightly sharper than component connections. the reason i like HDMI is that its just one cable. I think that HDCP thing is stupid crap put on by the studios.

    oh here's something for ya:

    http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/20/samsung-sued-over-dvd-duping-by-discontinued-player/
    Samsung sued over DVD-duping by discontinued player

    Posted Feb 20th 2006 2:49PM by Marc Perton
    Filed under: Home Entertainment

    Like a number older DVD players, Samsung's long-discontinued DVD-HD841 can be hacked via a sequence of remote-control keystrokes to, among other things, become a region-free player and disable copy protection. And even though Samsung stopped selling the DVD-HD841 in the US in October 2004, the big US movie studios have decided to make an example of the company. Disney, Time Warner, Fox, Paramount and Universal have filed a suit against Samsung, demanding that the company recall all affected players. Samsung execs are puzzled by the lawsuit and can't understand why the studios are going after the company over a player that the company says was discontinued after the copy-circumvention issue came to light. In the meantime, the lawsuit will likely only serve to call attention the player, which is still available via eBay and other sources for as little as $50. Thanks, guys!
     
  12. Jeremiah

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    Yeah, right there with you- obviously one cable is better than five. I know this all too well after running fifty feet of both HDMI and Component in my walls a few weeks ago.

    It just makes me sick that I got sucked into a technology that allows DRM-type technology. I'll step away from the soapbox before I get really riled.
     
  13. RC Cola

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    I haven't really read up on this in a while, but I'm almost positive that HDMI offers much more than component (just the fact that it is a digital signal makes it betters it some ways). I thought I read that component is starting to come up on some physical limits (I think 1080p30 is its max?), while the latest HDMI specification allows for 2560x1600p60 with 48-bit color depth (and that is just for video).

    I might be wrong about what component is capable of (never really researched it too much), but there are some advantages to HDMI from a quality standpoint AFAIK. Of course, we won't really see it for years, if ever. :(
     
  14. tinman

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    I was at CES. they next thing is wireless HD and HDMI wireless hubs.

    http://gizmodo.com/343892/wireless-hdtv-proliferates-across-ces-show-floor
     
  15. tinman

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    if you had a pre-2005 TV with hdmi and no HDCP, you are screwed. that's the problem with HDMI and the constant changing of standards. I use HDMI when I can, but get really ticked when it starts getting buggy.

    I have a friend with an XBR HDTV 1080p with a PS3 and his HDMI signal sometimes causes weird picture problems.
     
  16. Jeremiah

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    I skimmed your reports. It's about damn time. The bandwidth is there. I can see this as one of those technologies that takes off quick and has lots of competition...meaning it's going to get cheap in a fast way.
     
  17. Drexlerfan22

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    I'd agree on that... HDMI looks just a little crisper/cleaner. On the other hand I actually think colors come through just slightly more vibrant on component. Plus it's never "buggy" like HDMI, at least not in my experience.

    But having just one cable is definitely niiiiice. And I prefer the sharp look over the saturated look (most do).
     
  18. tinman

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    you can get the wireless HDMI hub from Belkin this summer.

    http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9840815-67.html
     
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  20. Jeremiah

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    That's a drop in the bucket for AV equipment. Still, like I said, it's bound to be a highly competitive market and we will probably see a steep drop in price within a year.
     

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