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HCA/W-L vs SRS/EFF

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Chronz, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Chronz

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    The following is a list of EVERY series where HCA/W-L Records and SRS/EFF disagreed on who to favor and who won out.

    5/9
    PRE-60'S ERA
    Code:
          1947
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Philly vs St.Louis    PHILLY
    
          1950
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Nationals   Lakers 
    
    [B]    1951
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Nationals vs Knicks   Knicks [/B]
    
          1951
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Knicks vs Celtics    Knicks Win 
    
          1952
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Royals      Lakers
    
    [B]      1954
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Nationals   Nationals[/B]
    
    [B]      1957
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Warriors vs Nationals  Nationals[/B]
    
    [B]      1959
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pistons vs Lakers      Lakers[/B]
    
          1959
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Nationals vs Knicks   Nationals
    

    5/6
    The 60's
    Code:
          1961
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Nationals vs Warriors Nationals
    
          1966
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Hawks vs Bullets       Hawks
    
    [B]      1968
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Celtics      Celtics[/B]
    
          1969
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Knicks vs Bullets      Knicks
    
          1969
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Celtics vs 76'ers       Celtics
    
          1969
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Celtics vs Lakers      Celtics
    

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    The 70's

    Code:
          1970
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Hawks       Lakers
    
    [B]      1974
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bulls vs Pistons       Pistons[/B]
    
          1976
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bucks vs Pistons      Bucks
    
          1976
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Sonics         Suns
    
    [B]      1976
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Cavs vs Celtics         Celtics[/B]
    
    [B]      1977
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Cavs vs Bullets       Bullets[/B]
    
          1977
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs Nuggets   Blazers
    
    [B]      1977
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Warriors vs Lakers    Lakers[/B]
    
          1977
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs Lakers     Blazers 
    
          1977
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs 76'ers      Blazers
    
    [B]      1978
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Sonics      Sonics[/B]
    
          1978
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Sonics vs Nuggets    Sonics
    
          1979
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Hawks vs Rockets     Hawks
    
          1979
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Sonics       Lakers
    
    [B]      1979
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Sonics         Sonics[/B]
    
    [B]      1979
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Spurs vs Wizards     Wizards[/B]
    

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    The 80's

    Code:
          1981
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bulls vs Knicks         Bulls
    
          1982
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bullets vs Nets        Bullets
    
          1984
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Knicks vs Pistons     Knicks
    
          1985
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs Mavs        Blazers
    
          1985
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Celtics      Lakers
    
          1988
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Mavs vs Nuggets      Mavs
    
    [B]      1988
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pistons vs Lakers     Lakers[/B]
    
    [B]      1989
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Pistons      Pistons[/B]
    



    7/16
    The 90's
    Code:
          1990
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Jazz            Suns
    
          1990
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Lakers         Suns
    
    [B]      1990
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    76'ers vs Bulls          Bulls[/B]
    
    [B]      1990
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Blazers        Blazers[/B]
    
    [B]      1993
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Cavs vs Bulls           Bulls[/B]
    
    [B]      1993
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Sonics vs Suns         Suns[/B]
    
          1993
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bulls vs Knicks         Bulls
    
    [B]      1994
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Knicks vs Bulls         Bulls[/B]
    
    [B]      1994
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Rockets       Rockets[/B]
    
    [B]      1994
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Knicks vs Rockets     Rockets[/B]
    
          1995
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bulls vs Hornets       Bulls
    
          1997
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Jazz vs Spurs           Jazz
    
    [B]      1998
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Hornets vs Hawks     Hawks[/B]
    
    [B]      1998
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Jazz          Jazz[/B]
    
    [B]      1999
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pistons vs Hawks     Hawks[/B]
    
           1999
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs Jazz        Blazers
    


    10/16
    The 2000's

    Code:
           2001
    [B](SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Blazers vs Lakers     Lakers[/B]
    
    [B]       2001
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Kings vs Lakers        Lakers[/B]
    
    [B]       2002
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Magic vs Hornets      Hornets[/B]
    
           2002
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Celtics vs Pistons     Celtics
    
           2003
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Lakers vs Twolves     Lakers
    
           2003
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Nets vs Pistons        Nets
    
           2004
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pistons vs Pacers      Pistons
    
           2004
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pistons vs Lakers      Pistons
    
           2005
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Pacers vs Celtics      Pacers
    
           2005
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Spurs vs Suns          Spurs
    
           2007
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Spurs vs Suns          Spurs
    
    [B]       2007
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Bulls vs Pistons        Pistons[/B]
    
           2008
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Jazz vs Rockets        Jazz
    
    [B]       2008
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Suns vs Spurs          Spurs[/B]
    
           2010
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Spurs vs Mavs         Spurs
    
    [B]       2010
    (SRS)      (W-L)        RESULT
    Spurs vs Suns           Suns[/B]
    

    17/28
    Teams with Identical Records

    1954
    Celtics vs Nationals = SRS Prevails
    1955
    Nationals vs Pistons = SRS Fails
    1956
    Lakers vs Hawks = SRS Fails

    1957
    Lakers vs Pistons = SRS Prevails
    1957
    Lakers vs Hawks = SRS Prevails
    1958
    Royals vs Pistons = SRS Fails

    1975
    Celtics vs Bullets = SRS Prevails
    1976
    Braves vs 76'ers = SRS Prevails
    1977
    Spurs vs Celtics = SRS Fails
    1978
    Cavs vs Knicks = SRS Fails

    1979
    Lakers vs Nuggets = SRS Prevails
    1980
    Rockets vs Spurs = SRS Prevails
    1981
    Kings vs Rockets = SRS Prevails
    1981
    Celtics vs 76'ers = SRS Fails

    1982
    Suns vs Nuggets = SRS Prevails
    1990
    Blazers vs Pistons = SRS Fails

    1993
    Rockets vs Sonics = SRS Prevails
    1996
    Knicks vs Cavs = SRS Fails
    1998
    Spurs vs Suns = SRS Fails

    1998
    Lakers vs Sonics = SRS Prevails
    1998
    Jazz vs Bulls = SRS Prevails
    1999
    Lakers vs Rockets = SRS Prevails
    2000
    76'ers vs Hornets = SRS Fails
    2001
    Mavs vs Jazz = SRS Fails

    2002
    Lakers vs Spurs = SRS Prevails
    2003
    Spurs vs Mavs = SRS Fails
    2008
    Spurs vs Hornets = SRS Fails

    2010
    Jazz vs Nuggets = SRS Prevails



    Summary

    Out of 99 Playoff Series the team with the higher SRS won 58 times, considering HCA is suppose to be a heavy advantage this is a drastic figure. I need some help contextualizing those scores by recognizing player availability and any other factors you guys feel will skew the results in one way or another. For example Ive excluded the Spurs vs Suns series of 2000 because Duncan was unavailable, to prevent bias this was the only series I excluded.

    If anyone recalls anything pertaining to injuries and the like from the playoff series listed please share.

    So what say you, if you were going to Vegas what system would you trust?
     
  2. Rocketboi

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    can you simplify this, i didnt know i was school.
     
  3. MourningWood

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    Me confused.
     
  4. LCII

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    first off, maybe you can explain what srs/eff is
     
  5. RocketMadness

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    At first I read the thread title as A/S/L.
     
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    Why people post weird threads without explaining them first??
     
  8. TriumVirate

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    SRS= Simple Random Sample?
     
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    What does that mean -- "drastic figure". Drastically low, or drastically high? What sort of figure were you expecting, and why?
     
  11. Chronz

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    Sorry for the lack of explanation but SRS is Simple Rating System, its an alternative method of gauging a teams level of play as opposed to Win-Loss records. SRS is basically comprised of your team efficiency differential with some
    with a component to account for Strength of Schedule I believe.

    This list is basically the # of times the 2 systems disagreed on who to favor. Meaning one team had more wins and losses, while the other team had higher efficiency scores.


    You always hear about how strong of an effect HCA has yet the team WITHOUT it won most of the time. Its what I was expecting, the purpose of this thread was to weed out the idea that the team with the superior Win-Loss record has proven more to that point. I dont know if its a longheld belief here but Ive seen the argument on numerous boards.
     

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