hmm like what I heard declan32001. Great observation. Anyways,I am an Yao fan because without Yao,I wouldn't be watching the Rockets thousands of miles away. Its him that made the Rockets this well known and I have to admit, I care not only about Yao Ming but the whole team now. Go ROX!
I'm glad someone brought this topic up, and I'm also glad someone brought up the issue of the "Yao-Only" fan. I have to admit that I wasn't a Yao-hata a year ago, but I wasn't exactly rootin-tootin wild horses about him being drafted number one. Of course, that quickly changed, and I wanted to know more about the rookie. As I knew more, I become more of a fan. I consider myself a fan now, but I don't worship the guy. For the past year, I was a member on YaoMing**********, and I swear, if you express your honest opinion, if your opinions differ from the whole of the entire community, they casitigate you like none other. ESPECIALLY if you're an ethnic outsider, which I don't consider myself to be (even they did). I'm 3/4 white, 1/4 Korean, and everytime I said something they didn't like, they blasted my 3/4 whiteness and used that in arguing that I didn't understand. A long with numerous double standard reverse ignoramus racism. Not to mention the sexism. Just because I love basketball and happen to have an inkling about how the game works at the college and NBA level, many of them wrote, "What kind of girl likes sports this much?" What kind of girl watches basketball?" Like, HeLLLO! Is this 2003 or 1903?!!! If you're looking for Yao-Only fans, look no further than ************. I really enjoy the game commentary and breakdown, and the cache of quotes and articles, but the discussion forums are so top-heavy with Yao-Only fans. Many of them don't care for the Rockets, and many of them can't see far enough past Yao to consider Francis just as integral a part of the team, blaming everything that Yao doesn't do on him. Though there were a few peeps with rationale, the majority of them ganged up on another member when they found out that person wasn't Asian, or what not. For a while, I wondered why the English was so bad, and then I later learned that many of the posters aren't even Asian-American. Most of them are Asian Nationals (meaning, they are on-line somewhere in China or Tawian, ect), which explained a lot of the Anti-American Chinese Nationalistic fervor (bashing white people, bashing black people, bashing people are part white and part Asian), and the Yao-Only fanatical short-sightedness. That also explains the monolithic community banding and conformity, considering that Korea, Japan, and modernized China still have strong residuals of Neo-Confucianism that structure their society. As much as I liked how informative it could be when it came to the Rockets, I didn't like the In-Your-Face-you're-for-us-or-against-us mentality. I didn't like how they started threads about Yao's girlfriend, what kind of toothpaste Yao uses, what time Yao goes to bed, where Yao goes to grocery shop, whether Yao should do an action movie with Jackie Chan and Jet Li (no joke, they made a really, really long thread entertaining this thought), if Yao would someday get a rape charge thrown at him (I laughed when I read this). Some of the posts are absolutely nonsensical, like how one poster started a thread asking if Yao does pot because his lips are dark and don't people who smoke pot get dark lips? Yao is a great player and great person--but, jeez, talk about overkill. If you're a fan of a person, and not the rest of the team, or sport, you're not really a fan. YOu're no different than people who worship NSYNC. You're part of the swaying mob. I like Yao, but I don't worship him. There are times when he makes me happy, and other times when he pisses me off with his shortcomings in the game. But I'm a fan. Yet I also like Francis and Mobely just as much. As for JVG. Well, he did a great job with the Knicks, so he has my faith. Anyways, I'm new to ClutchCity, and I like how varied the community is. All sorts of people and all sorts of fans. I also like how people just tell it like it is and don't take things so personally.
Why do you keep pimping a site you think is stupid?? We're not interested. And, for what it's worth, here's some quotes from over a year ago... Will Clutch Crew Posts: 1959 Joined: Feb 1999 Member: #62 05-21-2002 09:34 PM Three things I really don't like in this report. 1) Short-term thinking. Our core players are 19, 24, and (if you count Mobley) 26. We can survive a year or so of Yao's development in exchange for having a unique NBA force thereafter. I have NO respect for owners, GMs, and coaches who are too preoccupied with protecting their jobs or pocketbooks in the short term to do what's best for their teams in the long term. 2) Dumping contracts. The Cato contract was boneheaded. The Rice deal was foolish. The Taylor contract has turned into an unfortunate mistake. So what? EAT THEM. We screwed up; we can live with them. Rice's deal will be over soon; Mo will heal and play at least OK; Cato is already serviceable. Do NOT compound these mistakes by spending our precious #1 pick to get rid of them. I will stick my head in the toilet and flush it if Les, CD, and Rudy sell this gift to pay off their old, stupid, manageable debts. 3) Settling for mediocrity. The hardest thing to acquire in the NBA is franchise players. Reliable 4's can be had in this draft, the next one, and the one after that, or by trade or free agency. When is the next time we're going to have the #1 pick? Yet we're going to throw it away for stuff we could get through other transactions? This is like owning a big plot of prime real estate in a major city and trading it for four small, scattered plots that add up to the same area. Small plots are easy to come by; big ones are damn near impossible. You know what's going to happen if we trade this #1 pick for a couple of decent forwards or one decent forward and unloading a bad contract or two? We're going to spend the next two or three years trying to figure out how we can package some of the decent but unremarkable talent on our roster to get a potentially great player like the one we walked away from in the 2002 draft. giddyup Senior Member Posts: 3996 Joined: Jan 2002 Member: #3438 05-22-2002 11:59 AM I just don't get these rumors that Yao will not contribute next year. He will get his shot off against anybody. He will swat a few shots and if EG's in the game at the same time.... Watch Out! No he won't be backing Shaq down in the post but who does? It's a Ming Thing. Passing on Ming would be a colossal mistake. I say this with all the confidence of someone who has not ever seen the guy play! JAG Senior Member Posts: 715 Joined: Jun 2001 Member: #2696 05-21-2002 10:10 PM Quote: Originally posted by Will Three things I really don't like in this report. 1) Short-term thinking. Our core players are 19, 24, and (if you count Mobley) 26. We can survive a year or so of Yao's development in exchange for having a unique NBA force thereafter. I have NO respect for owners, GMs, and coaches who are too preoccupied with protecting their jobs or pocketbooks in the short term to do what's best for their teams in the long term. 2) Dumping contracts. The Cato contract was boneheaded. The Rice deal was foolish. The Taylor contract has turned into an unfortunate mistake. So what? EAT THEM. We screwed up; we can live with them. Rice's deal will be over soon; Mo will heal and play at least OK; Cato is already serviceable. Do NOT compound these mistakes by spending our precious #1 pick to get rid of them. I will stick my head in the toilet and flush it if Les, CD, and Rudy sell this gift to pay off their old, stupid, manageable debts. 3) Settling for mediocrity. The hardest thing to acquire in the NBA is franchise players. Reliable 4's can be had in this draft, the next one, and the one after that, or by trade or free agency. When is the next time we're going to have the #1 pick? Yet we're going to throw it away for stuff we could get through other transactions? This is like owning a big plot of prime real estate in a major city and trading it for four small, scattered plots that add up to the same area. Small plots are easy to come by; big ones are damn near impossible. You know what's going to happen if we trade this #1 pick for a couple of decent forwards or one decent forward and unloading a bad contract or two? We're going to spend the next two or three years trying to figure out how we can package some of the decent but unremarkable talent on our roster to get a potentially great player like the one we walked away from in the 2002 draft. Couldn't agree more...absolutely on the money. You become a champion by A) Making some unconventional moves, as standard moves just gradiates everyone towards the middle, and B) Getting lucky. We just got very, very lucky. Let's not blow it by playing 'safe'. I don't want to get on that 80's Hawks/Cavs type treadmill...I want to go for the gusto, or die trying...the advantage for us, as fans, is that if you die the system rewards your death with a chance to rebuild...if you play it safe and get on that treadmill, you get year after year of 1 or 2 rounds of the playoffs, no real chance to get better, and no real chance to be a perennial threat either. Of course, if you go for it and lose, and you're one of the guys in charge, you might lose your job, but that's their problem, not ours. Our best interest, as fans, is in the Ring... __________________ We're all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars... O. Wilde Last edited by JAG on 05-21-2002 at 10:15 PM Deckard Senior Member Posts: 3328 Joined: Mar 2002 Member: #3612 05-22-2002 07:33 PM kissofdeath, I compared Ming to Sampson around midnight 2 days ago in thacabbage's "Dare to be Great" thread on page one. Did that as well early in this thread, along with Smits. Who else could he be compared to assuming he's not a "Chinese Bradley"- as OP lumped him in with. I admit to knowing little more than what I've read in the various sources available to us all... but if he's NOT stick-man from Dallas, and he's as has been described by sources with the opposite view of the Bradley camp... except for possibly Smits, who else could he be compared to? A Sampson with a strong lower body that can hold up to the NBA pounding that did in Ralph would be outstanding. Let's Dare to be Great. (unless we can get KG) .................................... These quotes were out of sequence, but I thought some of you might enjoy a look back at a crazy time here... without having to search through the threads. There were pages and pages of discussion here, from posters I wish would post again (maybe they're tired of competing with 10,000 new members?), about whether or not trading Yao (the pick) or keeping him would be a good idea. We knew so little about him. And it was a lot of fun. Well, we've got him and most of us couldn't be happier that we didn't do a deal. But this "Yao-hater!", "Franchise-hater!", "Cat-hater!" and so on and so on, along with the endless posts praising and defending the same players gets tiresome. Get real! Thank god, the season is about to start. And I sure wish some of the old crowd who may feel crowded out would come back and post again. You're missed. Looking back at some of these old threads (Thanks, Severe Rockets Fan!) made me realize yet again how much this place has changed.
Edit! (I wish ) I just realized I quoted JAG (MacBeth) replying to the quote from Will and Will's quote showed up as well! (Duh!) So Will, you're in this twice. What the hell, it was a good quote. (I feel stupid)
Right on. A 10 years old can tell from the name of the site that it is a Yao-only-fans site. What do you expect them to say anyway? I have no problem that they worship Yao there and hammer on anyone who says anything negative about Yao. It is their site afterall. I wouldn't go to an NSync fans site if I am not a fan of the group. Peace.
Wow, someone makes a post that is better than 90% of the stuff on this site, and all they get is bashing? Geez, nice. Anyway, let me be the first to welcome you. Some of us get pretty sensitive if our Rockets are attacked, but overall we're an intelligent, humorous group. I agree with you- please don't call yourself a Rockets fan if you know, deep down, that you would depart the minute Mr. Ming is traded and/or signs elsewhere as a free agent. If you're a Yao-only fan, just admit it! Again, welcome. The regular season is here!!!!!!
exactly it is their site. i have no problem with them ripping on people who talk smack about Yao (they probaly deserve it anyway) on their site.
tannerseale, welcome. DON'T PIMP ANOTHER SITE LIKE THAT, though have to admit it worked. Just had to see it for my self. Honestly, it doesn't seem that much worse than some of the stuff here, people just like Yao and don't like Francis :sigh:. And please don't go on a rampage about racist asian etc etc. There are good apples and bad ones, but realize it's hard being a minority. Talk about double standard, remember what Shaq said and did when Yao first got here? Minorities seem to have that right now not that it's right or anything. And while I'll be the first to admit that asians might need to curb some views, especially since we wont be held as accountable for some stuff as the whites, blaming it on Neo- Confucism and grouping Korean, Japanese and Chinese into one doesn't exactly show knowlege in the modern asian culture. It comes down to accountabillity, and when you're not held as accountable for what you do or say, you tend to speak a little more risque. Example, Chris Rock and Dave Chapelle can do comedy about asian, whites, and blacks, making fun of any race. But if a white comedian makes fun of any race besides whites, especially if it's really risque, he'd get a lot more sh*t. In the end comes down to this, people pays most attention to you if you're white, and are willing to acknowledge or jump on every thing good or bad thing you say. If you're black you can say a lot, and a lot what be let slide or dismissed. If you're asian, you can and do say a lot, but most go unheard. And oh yeah, as to not derail this thread, I was never a Yao hata but I've always been a Rox lover (including Francis, Cat, hell even mooch).
Tanner! I think it is very rude of you talking about the other site that you were a solid member like that. You may be mad that the moderator have warned you not to act as and imposter to somepne else but this is not a very nice way to pay back. Welcome to clutchcity. I hope that you will feel enjoy it if you want to discuss about the rocket.
That explains the over the top insulting remarks in the original post and the need to 'pimp' the other site
would someone please set up another poll on whos Yao fan only, SF fan only, Cat fan only, Cato fan only, EG FAN ONLY!!!!!!! I really love my FACE and hate my butt, but I still love me. Is it OK?
Thanks, Rocketfever! That is my approach too. As long as the aim is already stated (as the site to worship Yao or crazy about Yao), I think that the member would know beforehand what they are getting themself into. If the overzealous about Yao's personality is posted here, it will not be appropriated because this site is for the Rocket's fans in general. However,in the other site, it is the appropriated place to do so. I hope that tanner will be happy staying at this site if he/she were annoying with "the lack of English language skill" from the other site. If someone ia annoying with some site, just do not go there. The problem will be solved.
I'm a Jim Jackson fan, too. He was awesome with the Kings, and I think the Kings made a mistake by not holding on to him. As bummed as Jimmy Jackson might have been initially when he was traded to the Rockets, I think as the season plays out, he'll realize that he's with a better team. Better in terms of a wider window of opportunity for the championship. The Kings had their chance two years ago, still had their chance last year but blew it, and have a chance (thought not much of one) to win it this year. Their window is closing. The Kings are waning. The Rockets are on the rise. Stevie will lead the way. Yao will provide the legs that'll carry them there. Mobely and Jimmy and Piatkowski and Taylor and Boki will provide the support. Cato will provide the attitude and muscle. Jeff Van Gundy will provide the stress. And Ewing will provide his "theory." It's a good mix, but a fragile one. Take Stevie or Yao out, and it crumbles. Take one or two of the key role players out and it's a three-legged dog.
I saw some Yao only fans...I think they were Asian....and they were speaking this language, I think it was Asian...
No, but fans who constantly turn a blind eye to Yao's weaknesses (all of which will improve with time) while criticizing every other Rocket's game are starting to bother me. I've always hated overhyped players, and I think some of Yao's praise is approaching the overboard limit.
well if someone else was posing as another respected user on the forum and was trying to ruin their reputation by bashing others then they should be treated that way
I'm from the Philippines...Before he went to the nba, i hate him a lot coz our country can't somehow dominate the basketball supremacy in Asia for China is always there on the top...
This can't be! This just can't be! OMG the sky is falling, the day Asians throw away racial identity and hate Yao has come!
I do not believe any Yao-only-fan trolling around at this site. It is true, however, there are millions new Rocket fans on the other side of the globe because of Yao. They like Yao for the obvious reasons. But they want the Rockets to win as bad as many long time fans. I would not blame them for becoming Rockets fan because of Yao. THose real Yao-only-fans are usually not a basketball fan. They have no idea what is the real measure of a great player.
