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Have we reached the Climate Change Tipping Point?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, May 1, 2021.

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Have we passed the Climate Change Tipping Point

  1. Yes, Climate Change is already happening to the point it will be difficult to reverse

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  2. No, we still have time to make changes to avert a Climate Change disaster

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  3. I don't believe Climate Change is happening.

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  4. I believe Climate Change is happening but it's not a big deal and humans have nothing to do with it.

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    13.8%
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    Damn no more Salmon rolls?

     
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    www.nytimes.com /2022/10/26/climate/un-climate-pledges-warming.html
    Climate Pledges Are Falling Short, and a Chaotic Future Looks More Like Reality

    Most of the advanced economies are broke. The thought of reparations or unprofitable mitigation strategies are laughable.

    Looks like we're gonna do the tried and true "Do Nothing" and pray to Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Yehova, etc for science to save the rest of us.

    Can't wait for the paranoid "climate skeptics" to belly ache and moan about the good ol days when clean Water/Air wasn't privatized and hoarded and how "things were more free" until fascist governments stepped in with their nagging. Some of these changes won't be voluntary.

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    tipping point as far as sentencing goes

    https://reason.com/volokh/2024/07/1...o-jail-for-blocking-major-roadway-in-britain/

    Climate Protestors Sentenced to Jail for Blocking Major Roadway in Britain
    by Jonathan H. Adler
    7.19.2024 11:53 AM

    A group of protestors with a group called "Just Stop Oil" seeking to force greater action on climate change conspired to block the M25—basically the London beltway—in November 2022. The protestors were prosecuted for their efforts, and have now been sentenced to several years in jail. The BBC reports:

    Five environmental activists who organised protests that brought part of the M25 to a standstill over four days have been jailed. . . .

    Judge Christopher Hehir said Roger Hallam, 58, Daniel Shaw, 38, Louise Lancaster, 58, Lucia Whittaker De Abreu, 35, and Cressida Gethin, 22, had "crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic".

    At Southwark Crown Court, Hallam was sentenced to five years' imprisonment while the other defendants each received four-year jail terms.

    Obstructing a highway is not simple political expression, and it is far from "peaceful protest." It involves the physical obstruction of others' freedom of movement. It is also disruptive and potentially tortious conduct that can have severe consequences. In this case, those seeking to "just stop oil" have done little to advance their cause (traffic congestion results in worse fuel economy and increases emissions), but and managed to cause significant harm to others. From the BBC report:

    The action resulted in chaos on the M25 over four successive days, causing nearly 51,000 hours of driver delays, the court heard. The protests closed parts of the motorway in Kent, Surrey, Essex and Hertfordshire.

    People missed flights, medical appointments and exams. Two lorries collided, and a police motorcyclist came off his bike during one of the protests on 9 November 2022 while trying to bring traffic to a halt in a "rolling road block".

    Prosecutors alleged the protests led to an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was put at more than £1.1m.

    The activsits and their allies also sought to disrupt the trial, but to no avail.

    If activists wish to engage in such conduct as civil disobedience, so be it. They must remember, however, that civil disobedience involves the knowing and deliberate violation of law and (as traditionally practiced) a willingness to suffer the consequences.

    In this case, those seeking to "just stop oil" didn't, and will just go to jail instead.



     

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