I'm not going to get into the MJ argument. I'm a bigger Astros fan than I am Rockets. So when someone insults my favorite team obviously I'm going to stand up for them. And saying the only reason the Astros were good in the 04/05 season is because of steroids is an obvious lie.
Instead of just calling the steroids comment ignorant, you made really ignorant comments about the Rockets' playoff history. That was your problem. Facts - Michael Jordan played in 1995, the year the Rockets won their second championship. The Houston Rockets have two NBA championships and four conference championships.
I simply made an ignorant comment about the Rockets because a likely comment was made about the Astros previously to mine.......
I don't know how I can make this any clearer...I'm not suggesting the Rox are squeaking by into the playoffs...I'm suggesting if the Astros played in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs they would have: 1. made the playoffs more frequently than they already did; and 2. opened themselves up to potentially advance in the playoffs more years than they already did.
you know the Rockets in the early 90s had a winning record against the Bulls? every Rocket fan must know that and must have that in their DNA. http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1549/rudy_t_reflects_on_rockets/ On the Rockets vs. Bulls debate I finally got a chance to talk to Michael Jordan years [later] over at Barkley's house and he thought that the best matchup they would have had during that era was against us because of the way Max used to play him and how our big guys used to dominate their inside.
i agree with you entirely, tinman. but the guy you're responding to wasn't saying this as a substantive argument...he was saying it to illustrate how ridiculous a counter-argument was.
don't trust McGrady fans to know anything about the real Rockets history. they don't know Buck Johnson from Buck Rodgers or Robert Reid from Lando Calrisian
Neither of you know what you are talking about and fail to realize why I even made the statement I did. Congratulations you win.
cool. Any fan who thinks that the Rockets championships were tainted or that the Rockets could not beat the Bulls are not Rockets fans. We must always defend Clutch City from the non believers.
But you are doing this in a thread that is comparing the Rockets and Astros. The Rockets haven't had success because they play "in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs" so why bring up this "what if" for the Astros?
It's a good thing I never said they were tainted then. I simply was showing how easy it is to come up with idiotic counter-arguments to discredit teams. Oh look ASTROS LOL THEY ONLY WERE GOOD CUZ OF ROIDZ ROCKETZ ONLY WON BCUZ MJ WAS GONE FOR A YR AND CAME BACK LATE IN 95.
Because if you compare post-season success between the two head-to-head, you have to consider that for one franchise there are less playoff spots available to earn. Just from 2000-10....the Astros actually made the playoffs in 2001, 2004, and 2005. If 8 teams made the playoffs from the NL the same way that 8 teams make the playoffs in the Western Conference, the Astros would also have made the playoffs in 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2008.
Pointing out that Roger Clemens (steroid user) was a big part of the Astros success isn't the same as not knowing (or feigning ignorance) Michael Jordan played the season the Rockets won their second championship or saying that the 94-95 seasons were the only great playoff runs the Rockets had in franchise history. Do I think the Astros had some success in those two years because of steroids? No, because other teams used steroids too. But, good grief, the arguments aren't even similar.
That would only make sense if the Rockets were getting multiple playoff appearance because they were just doing enough to get the 8th or 7th seeds. In the last four years, have the Astros had a top 5 or 6 team in the National League? In the times they've missed the playoffs in the last 15 years, how many times have they finished as a top 5 or 6 team in their league (actual question?
There are varying degrees of stupidity. Not knowing Jordan played in 1995 and not knowing anything about the Rockets previous playoff success to 1994 is worse than someone suggesting steroids played a part in a baseball team's success.
Yeah except for two things: 1. The Rockets have been plenty successful outside of those two years. They consistently won playoff series and went to NBA finals a number of times. They are the 6th most winningest franchise in the NBA's history. 2. What you're saying is completely speculative. It's the equivalent of denying the Lakers title last year because Jordan isn't playing. It's a completely sophomoric argument. My statement was actually a fact. I'm sorry if the facts disturb you so much but I'm pretty sure most of us were/are Astros fans too, we can just handle the truth.
