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Have all you anti freddies figured it out yet?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheBeastSystem, Feb 4, 2025.

  1. OremLK

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    I don't know, I've watched Fred on much bigger players, and he just bothers the hell out of them. So much core strength, low center of gravity, so active, such a threat to steal the ball. Some archetypes might be able to hunt him to some degree (tall, long, quick-jump-shot guys like Tatum and KD) but I don't think he makes it easy at all for anybody who likes to dribble the ball, regardless of size. Speaking of the Celtics game, he did stop Porzingis multiple times in the post, which was just crazy to watch for me.

    By the way, the gap between Trae's and FVV's assist numbers is really closer to 5 than 6 this season (5.4)--last season, the gap was 2.7. Most of that's down to usage--Fred's is 18-19%, Trae's is around 30%. Sengun does actually do a lot of the half-court creation in this offense.
     
  2. baubo

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    Sheppard was a SG in college and never played heavily on-ball. If you watched him try to run the Rockets offense you'd realize his shortcomings as a player. He may indeed eventually develop into a PG, but he certainly isn't one now.
     
  3. Hemingway

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    If our starting backcourt is FVV and Jalen next year, it wil be another mediocre season. FVV would be an awesome backup PG, maybe the best in the league.
     
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  4. baubo

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    Warriors this season on offense is -12 when Curry's off the floor.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Curry is the only guy who can iso on their team its a miracle their team is only -12 without him.
     
  6. Joe Joe

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    It should be apparent to every reasonable person that FVV is important. The likeliest way for the Rockets to be mediocre is to get rid of him until the Rockets show they can function without him. Hoping the young guys can show they don't need him, but this stretch without him has been mediocre while with FVV was great.
     
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  7. Manny Ramirez

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    God, we need Fred back and back soon.
     
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    Yep.
     
  9. xtruroyaltyx

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    Fred will help, but yall are going to be big disappointed putting so much on him. Hes not that guy and often contributed to the ****ed up offense... Especially at the end of games.
     
  10. rockets1995

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    Rockets should get ready for 2026 Free Agency

    Luka Doncic is available in 2026

    Alperen Sengun, GM, Coaches, Owner all should recruit heavily on Luka Doncic.
     
  11. TheBeastSystem

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    there are a lot of average point guards that we could not win with

    our winning margin with Fred is razor thin as it is

    if we had another supposedly average point guard that had a higher turnover rate than fred has which is most of them we would be losing a lot more games with them instead of fred

    winning with fred is mostly due to possession differential/shot attempt differential

    because fred keeps his turnovers down so low and keeps the team out of more turnovers by taking care of the rock and getting us into some sort of action no matter how crappy the action is we at least get a shot up from an nba player

    while on the defensive end he contributes significantly to our team defense creating turnovers and bad shots from our opponents that lead to us having more shot attempts + free throws that amount to shot attempts than the opponent

    furthermore just to spell it out even clearer to you hardheads look how many times fred bails us out with a catch and shoot 3 or a catch and drive shot or a catch and at the end of the clock he draws a foul from the opponent that either gives essentially an extended possession or a possession that winds up being a high efficiency possession at the ft line

    he may be the league leader in positive usage results with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock
     
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  12. Hemingway

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    Fred is valuable at times, but he is the one that gets us down to three seconds on the clock and has to force it. I don’t necessarily see that as a positive. Fred should definitely start when he gets back, but should be off the ball like he was when we had those great games against the Cavs and Celtics. If the kids are having a game where they start giving the lead away with turnovers then that’s the time for Fred to run the offense for a while. Havin multiple facilitators is a strength that Ime is just now starting to lean into.
     
  13. Rochut

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    Someone filling the role that FVV fills is important to the Rockets.

    it doesn't have to be FVV, but it has to be someone (and nobody on the current roster can fill that role other than FVV)

    too bad we didn't get Fox
     
  14. baubo

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    You are really underestimating how many good lead guard types exist in the NBA. Just skimming a random assist leaderboard for PGs, you have SGA, Lillard, Brunson, Maxey, Garland, Ball, Curry, Cunningham, Halliburton, Kyrie, Fox, Morant, Trae, Jamal Murray, CP3, Westbrook, Coby White, Tyler Heero. That's You can argue whether some of these guys are real PGs, but they all have either more assists or in the case of Coby White, 0.8apg fewer than FVV.

    The Rockets absolutely can win with one of the guys above instead.
     
  15. Hemingway

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    Doncic will be in La the rest of his career.
     
  16. topfive

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    He's definitely not an NBA-level PG. At least not this year.
     
  17. Plowman

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    We needed FVV to come in, stabilize...provide veteran leadership on and off the court...at a critical position...for awhile. Fred's done a fantastic job. But, at some point, to compete with OKC & Boston, in the playoffs...he needs to be upgraded. There's a huge organic element at work, and he is still glue right now...but, eventually we'll be ready to get off the tit. Before too long, his salary needs to be used in a deal.

    BTW - I'm not against FVV staying, and signing a short term, really cheap deal, commensurate with a rotation role off the pine. I have my doubts as to whether he would accept that though.
     
  18. Hemingway

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    What
    What’s your definition of really cheap? In my opinion, he is worth up to 25m a year to be a backup guard.
     
  19. Joe Joe

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    $25M is a fine number.

    Teams' starting lineups don't fall apart offensively when a backup guard gets hurt.
     
  20. Plowman

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    20/ yr is the max I'd pay him. And, he better be willing to pack in a hurry if the right deal cimes down the pike. Like I said, pretty sure he wouldn't take it. When we're serious about contending, FVV won't be our starting PG.
     

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