OK then WTF does this mean? And then understand you put words into my mouth. I did not return the favor. You said I was defending someone when I called you out on having a problem with when that describes some of the greatest americans of all time.
Yes, they should be monitored. All hate groups and anti-gov't groups should be monitored. Their very existence is in someway to subvert laws and gov't institutions isn't it? It's one thing to say we need to change our system, it's entirely different to say we need to bring it down. All I am saying is that it's time these folks get the same scrutiny that we give home-grown "Islamic" terrorist cells. You look at what they are doing. What are they advocating? And a willingness to die for a cause is not the same thing as a willingness to join the U.S. military. I'm talking about causes not in the name of the people of the United States here.
Out of curiosity, did you ever pay attention in history class? I didn't really care much for the subject myself, much preferred chemistry, but I did actually pass it.
???????????????????? I think you are applying a double standard. Let me ask you your opinion on the Patriot act and wireless telephone tapping of Islamic fundamentalists within or outside of the U.S.?
if there was a muslim group or individual in america that advocated the overthrow of the government, do you believe that those people should be watched more closely by the authorities?
For the record, I don't think he's advocated watching them beyond what the law or constitution allows, which is what Bush did to other groups. I just think that more resources and attention need to be spent focusing on these groups which have been shown to be a threat.
I just love how some try to re-direct the debate away from the reality that Obama's election, for whatever reason, has generated an uptick in the extreme right-wing fringe, who have proven over the years to be a source of internal homegrown terrorism. You may not feel that you are defending this lunatic fringe in your attempts to re-direct, but that is the impression.
It doesn't matter what the impression is. Did you ever read the VTech killer's writings? It was extreme left wing stuff. Talking about rich kids having everything they wanted. OK bombing happened and no one blamed the election of Clinton, because we realized the guy who did it had problems. The sensitivity level has gone up and every incident is magnified and some meaning is extracted where many times there is no meaning.
I said the greatest americans are the ones who had access to arms and were willing to die. You thought that was about joining the .mil It was actually about overturning the .gov, and the great founding fathers who did it.
Well it was Palin, not Obama that went around arousing people who were chanting "kill him when referring to Obama." Assuming you are a Republican, you should try to purge your party of candidates and behavior like this.
the vtech killer was a lone actor who had extreme mental problems. people knew about his mental problems before he commited those acts. I don't know how you would link a guy's angst about the rich kids on his campus to left wing because I doubt he cared about their politics. the guy at the museum was a lone actor also but the problem is the hate filled rhetoric out there that may justify these people's action in their mind. really don't understand your point here. yes people may not have blamed Clinton's election, but there are different circumstances to consider. this guy who shot the guard left a note that was anti obama. b) I'm sure the government stepped up their monitoring of right wing political groups after mcveigh, we just didn't have the twenty four hour news cycle we do now. also, clinton may have been a democrat but there are obvious differences between him and obama that cause more concern about his well being and people's reactions to this election
Yeah, when it comes to their own rights, all of a sudden right wingers get concerned about due process, freedom of speech, the 5th Amendment and all.
Did that kid have any known political affiliations? If you have some evidence of this, please post it. The guys who killed the abortion doctor, attacked the Holocaust museum, killed 3 cops in Pennsylvania, and McVeigh, were all active politically in right wing circles. This makes a huge difference. You can pretend that there's not a political component to this violence, but you're only fooling yourself.
Please, don't compare the founding fathers to this. Don't insult our intelligence here. The founding fathers fought against an imperial empire that oppressed and gave them no voice. They didn't fight to overthrow the government, they fought for freedom and representation. Had the British gave them that they would have never would have been a Revolution. These guys who preach hate, about the end of the world, and bringing down the gov't aren't anything like our founding fathers. They are people who are disturbed and brainwashed. They are sick man. It doesn't matter if they are right wing or left wing. They aren't fighting for individual freedoms, they are fighting to impose their will unto others. You know there is a big difference, why are you trying to connect these nut-jobs to the founding fathers? That's ridiculous.
The founding fathers believed in the 2nd admendment...strongly. There are those that believe in that still today and they have 5 words to you: from my cold dead hands!
