pgabs, don't even attempt to link John Forbes Kerry (who I no longer consider a 'veteran' after what he did at the Capitol) to Pat Tillman. As far as I'm concerned, when you abandon your fellow soldiers at the first possible opening, like Forbes Kerry did, and then come back and disgrace your nation and desecrate the grounds of the US Capitol, you are not a veteran. You are an insult to the Military.
Then explain this: "Hear, hear. I was a bit dismayed that they did a moment of silence for Tillman at the game Friday when there haven't been any other such public moments for the other soldiers killed in this war. Tillman gave up" Isn't that conveying disapproval?
This isn't the first time you've shown disrespect to veterans. I doubt it will be the last. Kerry did absolutely nothing on the capitol that changes his service he performed in action, under fire, serving our country with valor. Kerry also didn't abandon anyone. He was wounded three times, and still carries shrapnel in his body today. After performing bravely he was fulfilled the Navy's criteria for being sent home. His military records have been released and they contain no unsatifactory marks at all, and much high praise from commanding officers, in addition to medals honoring the work he did. You are the one who presumes to know more than our military and slight him for his return home when the United States military reviewed, processed and okayed his release. For you to put yourself above the U.S. military that was under much turmoil during the Viet Nam war is disgracefull, and shameful. Furthermore you do this despite having not served in our military. DISGRACEFUL
Can you show me where he typed "NFL"? You're putting words in his mouth. Remember what kind of board this is.
Forbes Kerry left Vietnam on a technicality. He had three minor wounds (one of which was compared to a fingernail scrape), and his records indicate that the injuries were not even severe enough to notify his family, much less sideline him from action. If he wanted to stay and fight with honor in Vietnam, he certainly could have. His injuries were not of a severity that limited his ability to serve. Instead of staying, he voluntarily chose to go home. Are you telling me that he didn't know about the 3 Purple Hearts, you're home free rule? You can bet your bottom dollar that the though crossed his mind that if he could go to his officers and demonstrate some kind of injury -- any injury -- then he could possibly leave Vietnam. You bet he did. What he did upon returning home was utterly inexcusable. Throwing medals onto the steps of the Capitol is an insult. Accusing servicemen who were still fighting (i.e. the ones that did not leave on a technicality) of atrocities and war crimes is inexcusable. Eroding support for the war, while troops were still overseas, is inexcusable. Period.
Rocketman95, what is the point of this phony fight that you have created with giddyup. The moment of silence was at both the basketball game on Friday and at the NFL draft on Saturday. Please spare us all with this little word game you have going with giddyup. It is a waste of bandwidth and not relevant to the thread.
What part of fulfilling the cirteria to earn his return home do you not understand? I don't think you acting like you know more than the U.S. military about how they run their business is helpful at any time, particularly when we have brave soldiers in the field.
It would not have bothered me at all if it had been an NFL event, that would have made perfect sense.
Actually, I was referring to the only game that I would have been concerned about on Friday....the Rox game.
You are welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that you are an insult to Americans. You (and your ilk) are the reason we are hated worldwide. You are the best argument I could come up with for contraception.
The only thing that will heal the lack of civil discourse between Conservatives and Liberals is....... A NICE SET OF BIG OL' HONKIN BREASSSAGESES!!!
who I no longer consider a 'veteran' lol Jorge, this snotty little chickenhawk, has no shame. He must get this type of elitist blindness as to how this appears from his chest thumping chickenhawk heroes, Bush and Cheney.
I'm beginning to enjoy thoroughly watching you apply your neck-radio techniques to your posts. The message above is particularly illustrative. Let's take it sentence by sentence. 1. Issue a denial of something you are unquestionably doing. 2. Justify the action you have just denied responsibility for with a polarizing caricature. 3. Spout some wild-ass, unsubstantiated nonsense. 4. Spout some more wild-ass, unsubstantiated nonsense. 5. Nifty summation to get the lobotomy lobby nodding happily along. I especially enjoy your continued use of the word 'folks.' That's good and AM. Well done! Hey! We've got a line open!... OK, Ebeneezer in Coal Mountain, thanks for calling KNEK-AM, what's on your mind?!
I hear a lot here, that pins him (Pat Tillman), as not necessarily a hero, but at best brave and noble and not above other fallen soldiers...and I agree,...except I truly regard him as a hero, as well as all the fallen soldiers who have contributed to the war against terrorism...You may think it isn't a part of terror, but I do, and we can go round and round without sway...but with that said, my position is that these freedom fighters are heros...What makes the Pat Tillman issue so darn glaring, and forthright is his absolutely unique story... Every fallen soldier has a story, but the Pat Tillman story is just near unbelievable, as truthful as it was... Most frontline soldiers enter after high school in their late teens and learn trades along the way while serving the country...Pat was a man like you or me, past that in the civilian world, who happened to be active in the Sportsworld for a career, which we all follow as sports fans...He had everything of material consequence at his beckoning, but at 25 he saw Sept.11, 2001 happen and what he did was make a decision nobody in modern times have done from the professional sports field... Since he had a college degree, he could have played it slightly safer by being a officer...he didn't. He wanted to be a regular frontline soldier...He didn't have to train for the highly challenging ranger school, but he did and made it with flying colors...He was originally too small to be in the NFL to begin with at 5-11 and a meager 200 pounds, but he excelled with his desire to the point another club wanted him at more money... Pat did'nt do this for any gain, but the desire to act and to do something....A regular soldier, a extremely special soldier,...and I say a hero no doubt! Perhaps a story is only fitting...
I am assuming that even you realize that this is an example of non-sequitorial thinking, not to mention hypocrisy. YOU credit rim with a quality YOU judge to be negative, and as such YOU feel the right to citicize him and belittle his right to voice an opinion. What is that quality YOU ascribe to him? Oh, yeah....elitism. Fortunately, the definition of veteran isn't contingent upon T_J's whims. It's all nice and such to throw out our own qualifiers, and using same many may conclude that SOME PEOPLE don't qualify as salient beings, but stodgy as I am, I prefer the CONSERVATIVE definition of veteran, ie the one which distinguishes between the lieks of Bush and the likes of Kerry. I don;t particularly like Kerry, but to suggest he isn't a veteran, or try and pick at the qualifications he had for any of his medals or his removal from active duty is the height of idiocy. To begin with, even forgetting the monumental bias of the source here, neither the medals nor the removal were Kerry's decisions.
