Has your view of Chinese people changed since Yao joined the Rox?

thanks for having the mentality of willing to hear the other side of the story. I really think we can minimize the cultural misunderstandings from the both side if the majority of us is willing to do that.

I have talked to a couple dozen of Chinese people living abroad after came to Canada, and it seems a large percentage of them is thinking while the Chinese communist party have made some big mistakes in the june 4th incident, there are a lot to blame on the US and Western government's behind the scene operations there. operations that put the situation out of control and pushed the softliners in the communist party out of power, etc. I'll stop here as this is the GARM and I don't want to put the topic more out of control. but just want to say -- yes, there are discrepencies between what ppl sees in the incident and most likely, we'll just see what we want to see.

 

That's true. And the communists also want to develop democracy in china. The problem is, however, that china has the situation of a country itself that is developing democracy needs to pay more patience and step by step.I think that is very necessary to china and to all the developing country.

 

America is slowly undergoing a natural transition toward socialism, with the diminishing market economy and ever higher tax burdens being the core and the catalyst for that change. And nothing can stop that change, no matter who is elected president, republican or democrat.

excerpt from Interview with a true Texan in the heartland of America.

 

Well, as I emphasized in my post:COUNTRYSIDE. The majority of the Chinese population are in the countryside. Foreigners only see the metropolitan areas of China. The city people have all that are available to a morden society. But it not true in the countryside. People read mostly the government approved newspapers at the vallige offices. Yeah, I do believe the Chiense people more blindedly follow their government more than Americans. There is a reason the Tiananmen incident was quickly stopped. There is a reason FLG had to move to the US simply because the government declared it a cult. Of course, the guns ar ein the commie's hands. You cannot deny the peasants just believe whatever the People's Daily tells them.

I have no objections to the government though in terms of making it difficult for Yao to come. The national honor is more important. It is not because the CCP's government really want it. It 's more because it has to please the Chinese people. If they had set free of all the elite bball players and ruined the national team, millions of millions chinese people will be offened by the government. People there are just as patriotic as the Americans.

 

You are 100% right.

 

I think that americans in countryside are just like Chinese in countryside. Are you living in USA, or China right now?

 

Farmers in the US take just a very small portion of the population while more than 70% of Chinese are peasants.

It is irrelevant where I live.

 

Even more wrong. The average rural Chinese believes even less than the urban Chinese about communism. Where many urban people are politically involved, the rural population could care less who's in power as long as their bellies are fed and they get better off each year. Every once in a while they will pay the CCP some lip service, mainly because it helps them advance their goals. While Maoism is still believe by a small % of the population, it is because people chooses to believe, not because the government tells them to.

Tiananmen was stopped quickly because of, let's just say, other than "democracy" issues. As I've said in another thread, do you think Chinese needs 2 group armies (~40K men) to stop a couple hundred students?

And FLG is a cult, only brainwashed non Chinese think it is a religion. Take these examples:
1. LHZ said aliens invaded earth and are using their technology to breed out humans. We don't know where they are but only LHZ can protect us, by returning to a simpler way of life (pretty much means any of the sciences and technology is tainted by the aliens and we must abandon it all).
2. If you do 1, you die happy and eventually ends up in LHZ's belly.

Now, I would tend to think that only a nutcase would think like that. Think that's communist propaganda? It's in his book.

 

If I am living in Europe, it is difficult to get the correct conclusion for Chineses or Americans. Is it right?

 

The basic frenchman would say the american is fat and ignorant, and the chinese is small and live only for work!
Are these judgements biaised?

 

This argument of Chinese's being more isolated than Americans is in question.

1) Chinese government probably have greater censorship compared to america, but that is mostly restricted to Chinese stuff, not stuff in English, Germen, or any other languges. If you believe they cencor everything, they pretty much need to block all foreign IP addresses, considering most of them badmouth China.

2) While the outright censorship in US is rare, it is done indirectly. The media is controled by a few families, who have certain political interests and background. Because of these and their business interests, they cencor themselves. On top of that, the White House tells them not to air this or that from time to time. With the false impression that they are getting unbiased media report, few americans EVER try to get exposed to foreign sources. In fact, the US government would have greater success at controling americans' minds.

3) There are maybe 300 million chinese who can speak some English. You will be lucky to find 300 thousand americans who can speak any Chinese. When was the last time you see an american and a chinese get together and they spoke in Chinese? I cannot recall that. Knowing this, it will be absurd to say Chinese knows little about the world.

 

I think you may be someone who fled China 20-30 years ago and have had this impression of it since then, right?

Maybe some decedents of native Indians still believe all whites still treat Indians as shooting targets.

Get over your old time grudge and open your eyes to see the changes.

 

A 230-year american culture vs. a 5000-year chinese culture, you don't have to be Yao to see which one is more valuable.

Those (few) who defect to America nowadays are mostly low lifes in China and use FLG or other excuses to take the advantage of social welware here. They are parasites and despecable.

 

Fled? Why did I need to do that? I never run away from anything or anywhere in my life.

I am from a remote area on the border of China and Russia. I am not Han Chinese. But I have many relatives and friends in the countryside of Dongbei (Manturia area). I visited some of them last summer. And I was depressed by their poor living standard. I felt ashamed to even mention it. The gap between the poor and the rish is so huge that even the 5000 year history of China dims ...

Do not tell me that they do not believe what the People's Daily tells them ...

 

1) every country has poor and rich. Have you been to any of the poor cities in the US? Even on Manhattan, take a walk and see how many homeless people there are. I feel sorry for your relatives. They unfortunately don't live in areas more developed. Time will come. If you believe they trust everything the Chinese government tells them, why do they protest at all. As I heard, they aren't content with the government. You seem to contradict yourself.

2) To say a 5000 year culture dims just because of some poor people is plain ignorant. Material stuff is different from culture. Culture and history stay, material richness comes and goes. Chinese had banks when europeans were still living in caves. GK was the superpower no more than 200 years ago. Russian, French, Spainard, even Portugese had days when they looked down the world. What is going to stop america going on that path? Nothing. Nobody can stop history. Poor or rich, your history or culture is something that you can be proud of forever.

FYI, world bank put China right behind US in term of GDP when calculated with consumption power. And go ask millions of americans who live on food stamps or stay in shelters how they like their life.

 

I don't know what old saying this is. But I know there is a Chinese old saying: believing everything is worse than not believing at all.

 

Where are you from? Beijing? Shanghai? or Guangzhou? Obviously you have no idea about what the Chinese peasants are like ... Let me tell ya: they are the people who are always accepting whatever they are given even what they are given is bad ("ni4 lai2 shun4 shou4". That is why you do not ever hear peasants protesting in China. Because of this, they are the reason the commies can still be the sole leading party of China! They are the reason the CCP can actually send the troops to the Tiananmen Square. They are the reason a lot of CCP cadres can get rich.

Let's not discuss this kind of things here. This is a Rockets board, not a Chinese politics board.

 

Well you could take this discussion to the D&D where this topic would be totally appropriate.

 

If this topic were takem to D&D, it wouldnt get this much publicity.

 

True, but that's the appropriate forum.