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Has it finally happened? Have we found a replacement for Mobley?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gr8-1, May 25, 2003.

  1. JPM0016

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    David S, knows what he is talking about. These are the kind of people to listen to,

    thank you David for understanding the situation. This board needs more people like u
     
  2. SLA

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    Hey...maybe the new coach will make Mobley a 6th man.

    BUT GOD. MOOCHIE OR JUAQUIN CANNOT START 82 GAMES.
     
  3. JPM0016

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    good point, Mobley was a great 6th man. A starter he is not, at least on this team.
     
  4. DavidS

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    Well, the decision in the hands of Francis.
    He's too close to Mobley at the detriment of the team.

    I mean, if the starting lineup stays like this...

    Francis
    Mobley
    Posey
    Griff
    Yao

    ...then it will be up to Francis to put aside his friendship with Mobley, concentrate on PG responsibilities and his position to run the team, rather than just give Mobley shots (because he's his buddy).

    I've said this before. The stats should switch.

    Last year:
    Yao 13ppg
    Mobley 17ppg
    Francis 21ppg, 6.5apg, 3.7tog

    Next year:
    Yao 17ppg
    Mobley 13ppg
    Francis 20ppg, 7apg, 2.5 tog
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    There should be a separate forum just for steve-hating. He can do no right by some alleged fans on this board. God imagine if he had openly called for a new head coach, there would probably be a party of steve haters on his doorstep with torches and pitchforks.
     
  6. DavidS

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    Didn't Hakeem publicly state that Rudy's coaching style was questionable?
     
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  7. francis 4 prez

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    that's ridiculous. a) either rudy said pass it to yao a lot and they didn't and he did nothing about it, in which case it's on rudy or more likely b) rudy was pleased with the way yao was being used and didn't want to run him down (considering he was always dragging after about 30 minutes, and that's w/o running the O) and thus didn't tell steve and cat to pass more. either way, it seems rudy did nothing about the non-situation of yao not getting enough touches.


    anyone who thinks a guy who did nothing for 7 games, hit the rookie wall for 11 games in january, and played poorly for the last 14 games (and who couldn't physically position or back down on most people and couldn't play the whole game anyway) should've been the guy running the offense is crazy. francis was easily a better offensive threat and cuttino more consistently brought offense every night. and cuttino still reduced his shots from 18+last year to 14.6 this year and was down to 11.7 for the last 14 games. he obviously fit in as much as possible, probably to the detriment of our record, and he's still called selfish to no end. and steve started becoming much more of a creator in the 2nd half (and it was widely acknowledged on this board) and yet all we did was lose more.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

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    do you mean you thought the stats should already have been switched and been the stats for this year (and thus they are what you want also next year) or are you accepting that those are what the stats should have been last year, but you now think yao will get better and it should switch?

    if the former, then i really don't see how yao would've averaged more than 14.5-15 this year even with increased fga. his best consistent month was december. he was feeling good, we were giving him the ball (even in crunch time), and he was hitting. he still only averaged 17 that month. then he hit the rookie wall, defenses adjusted a lot more, and he grew increasingly worn out as the season carried on (including the 38.7% shooting for the final 14 games i mentioned above) and had no shot to duplicate the 17 ppg from december. sure he could throw 17-20 out on a given night, but no way consistenly like he did in december.

    if the latter, then nm, except cuttino should still score more than 13. until yao becomes the yao we hope he can be, we need more than 13 from cat (or 34 from steve/cat combined if you will).
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Yeah, I think he griped about not getting enough PT and not getting enough touches in the left low post his last season, he wanted to run the 'spokes and wheel' offense from championship days again.
     
  10. DavidS

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    I mean that it should switch for next year. The "last year" is just a recap of what already happened.

    But, given that Yao will have another summer to work on his strength and quickness. And, Mobley will have to sacrifice his game (sacrifice shots). Those two factors will increase Yao's ppg, and decrease Mobley's ppg.

    Mobley sacrificing his game will help Francis be more of an offensive threat, and play the two man game with Yao.

    Because we already know that the Francis and Mobley two-man game does NOT work.

    Now, if Francis is unable to lower his TO, or run this team, or put aside his friendship with Mobley, then we'll have to move Mobley to the bench and bring in Hawkins. Or last, move Francis to the 2.

    But that's the last option (if Francis is unable to play the PG effectively).
     
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    Oh. I wasn't sure about that. I just remember hearing something about it.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Mobley shoots a higher percentage on 2 pts and the same percentage on 3 pts as Francis. If anything, Francis' role should be reduced scoring wise.

    Yao 20 ppg
    Mobley 20 ppg
    Francis 12 ppg, 10 apg, 3.5 to (we need to realize this number isn't going down anytime soon)
     
  13. DavidS

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    Scary isn't it?

    This just illustrates the holes in Francis's game that much more.
     
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    Steve Francis 81 40.99 571-1313 43.49 476-595 80.00 85-240 35.42 499 6.16 6.20 1.74 .51 3.69 21.02
    Cuttino Mobley 73 41.68 463-1067 43.39 242-282 85.82 112-318 35.22 303 4.15 2.85 1.30 .49 2.27 17.53
     
  16. DavidS

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    They look like clones, don't they?
     
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    your crazy. Your saying Mobley is better than Francis. Then why isnt mobely an all-star. Your logic of feild goal % is scewed. In other words your saying mobley is better than AI:rolleyes:
     
  18. OUTITAN

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    All star voting is purely about popularity, not talent or accomplishment..

    not going to bother to get involved in the who's better debate because they both play for us and I don't want either to go. I want a coach to come in and put their considerable talents to good use without neglecting the rest of the team...
     
  19. farhan007

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    then how in the world did all-star players become popular... becasue they are sexy!?!?!:confused:
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yao got more votes than Shaq and started the all-star game. Is Yao better than Shaq? Get a clue.

    I think aspects of Mobley's game are better than Iverson's. I also think that Iverson is one of the most overrated players in the league. As Charles Barkley says, anyone can score if you shoot enough times. That is all really irrelevent, because Iverson is the only weapon on the sixers. Mobley and Francis often face very similar defenses so the are much more comparable.

    Marketing.

    gr8-1,

    I don't get your point. Mobley shoots 0.2 points lower this season in 3pt% and higher for his career. He also shoots significantly higher on 2pt fgs. His overall fg% is 0.1 points lower because in the offense this year he shot a higher percentage of 3pt fga.
     

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