Has Ariza improved his game since he became a rocket?

Nope still not outstanding. Chase is good...not great. Hopefully he can EVENTUALLY become great.

True shooting percentage accounts for 3pointers and free throws, like you are attempting to do.

Chase is tied for 12th among rookies in true shooting percentage with a .548 mark. That is good for 19th overall among just small forwards.

Rodrigue Beaubois shoots 52% from the field, 41% from 3pt land and has a True Shooting percentage of .618. Now THAT is outstanding. Yes, he is a rookie.

Chase is playing well, great steal by Morey. But right now Ariza SHOULD satart.

 

Right now Ariza should start, that part I agree.

If Chase's TS is 19th among all SF in the league, that's outstanding for a ROOKIE. Remind you, there are 30 teams and each team would have at least 2 SFs, most are veterans.

Compare Chase's TS with all rookies isn't right, especially those who play 5 minutes a game. Centers and PFs are supposed to have much higher TS%.

 

Actually there are a bunch of guys who play less and shoot better 3pt%.

 

Is 19th best in the league for a rookie really outstanding? I guess you could argue that. I guess I'm just being more picky. Anyways, it's just a matter of opinion at this point.

FYI, his true shooting percentage is only good for 25th best among guards.

But anyways, glad we agree. Chase will be a huge asset for us, but Ariza should start right now.

 

What? Didn't you say 12th among all the rookies? That includes Cs and PFs I guess? If that's the case, outstanding shooting for a wing player.

19th among all SFs in the league, right? If that's the case, outstanding shooting for a rookie.

25th among all guards is also outstading too. There are 60 starting guards in NBA, most of them are veteran, and there are more than 60 backup guards.
25th for a rookie? Outstanding.

 

Well, I think that it is outstanding for a rookie wing player, especially one who comes off the bench.

I am not sure why you want to compare Curry, but he is great too.

DD

 

Yes, I meant 19th among all SFs, not rookies.

Anyways, looking at JUST rookies, there are 7 PGs, Guards, and SFs who shoot a higher TS% than Chase. Beaubois, Reggie Williams, Ty Lawson, Wesley Matthews, Toney Douglas, Curry, and James Harden. How is it outstanding when there are 7 rookies your size or smaller who shoot better? Do you think all of those guys are outstanding too?

Like I said, maybe I'm picky, but I'll leave the "outstanding" adjective for the Wade, LeBrons, and Stephen Curry's of the world.

Chase is good, but let's not get crazy. Let's not Waferize the guy.

 

Curry is outstanding, Chase is good.

 

So we can compare apples to apples here, let's stick to Wings, SFs and SGs.....

Also, let's stick to guys who have played more than say 60 games this year and averaged more than 10 mpg.

Now.....take a look.

Also, look at Shane and Trevor's TS%....

We are not dealing with the same criteria so we won't agree.....I can live with that.

DD

 

Fail on the minutes. They all average over 10mpg.

As far as eliminating PGs (not sure why, but here goes), that only takes out Lawson and Curry.

As far as the game limit, that only takes out Beaubois, but he has played 55, and Reggie Williams, who has played 22.

FYI, when you have to start putting in so many requirements and rules to try to "prove" that Chase is outstanding, then maybe he isn't. He's just good, and I'm happy with that.

If Chase was outstanding, Adelman would start him over Ariza.

 

I would trade Chase for Curry in a heartbeat. This would be trading a good player for an outstanding one.

 

7th among something like 40 g/SFs? Still look like outstanding to me. Maybe that's not your defination though.

Chase is already a better player than Wafer would eve become. He still needs a lot work on defense and a lot of expericence to catch up Ariza, but his tools are there to be a very solid all around player.

 

7th among ROOKIE g/sfs. I don't consider that outstanding, merely good. Again, we're probably agreeing and just getting into semantics here.

I agree completely on your second paragraph. The dude has been a complete steal for where he was drafted.

 

to answer the op, no.

even with the increase in minutes from the lakers to the rockets, his steals per game are only .1 better.

he's still shooting bad.

39% from the field
33% from 3's
and 66% from the ft line.

i dont see how you can say that's "improved". at the least i expected him to get more steals given that's his reputation but even that hasn't improved by a significant margin.

 

You are just arguing to argue.....it is a semantics argument....you say good, we say great.

Just different standards.......what is the point?

LOL.

DD

 

ariza sucks

 

aged by one more = improved
salary raise = improved
increase in minutes by 12.2 minutes == improved.
increase steals by 0.1= improved.
3p % increase by 1.4% = improved
increased rebounding by 1.2= improved
Assists # doubled= improved
blocks increase by 0.2 per game= improved
points per game increased by 5.8 = improved
FTA increased by 1.1 = improved
1000 times more in number of haters = improved


Not improved part: one less ring, 10 less games played, lower TS%, lower PER.

 

Maybe it can be stated like -
Has Ariza made himself into a Rockets KEEPER? Like in the way Lowry has?
I'd say no.

He's worth MLE in that he's a starting player. Overall his performance has been too spotty. I'd say his performance is worth 4.5 mil a year. With visible signs he CAN be MLE-like.

There's always been an inflated cost for "championship-experience" than it is for actual player. If Shannon Brown beasts it up in the playoffs and finals, is he worth MLE? Doubtful, but in sports if you shine in the championships you get paid.

 

thanks for your well thought out addition to this thread

 

He may be mediocre to below average in the regular season, but I have to admit he has proven to be very efficient in the playoffs.