has anyone else noticed how much bill & calvin criticize francis?

Let's see....

Bill and Calvin poking at Steve's obvious deficiencies

or

Joel Meyers and Sean Elliott annointing "Jesus" Parker in his second NBA game....


I'll take Bill and Calvin...(they spread more than enough "sugar" when it's warranted).

 

Calv and Bill and just speaking the truth. The point out the mistakes, and the point out the great plays. Thats just exactly what an announcer is supposed to do. What do you want them to say...well thats a nice try again by francis, hes only turned it over 6 times so far...its ok.

 

I started noticing it only last year, maybe about halfway. Bill and Calvin seemed to be in clearly bad moods, and the reason was how bad the Rockets were. Now, they are in better moods but at the same time more frustrated with the repeated mistakes.

 

I suppose there are three possibilities;

1) They are predisposed to be negative in their commentary.
2) They have decided to be unfairly negative towards Francis.
3) They are calling it as it is, or at least as they see it.

While number 2 isn't impossible, it is the least likely, logically, of the three. If it seems to be towards Francis more than others, it would seem to rule out number 1, however the amount that Francis dominates the ball might simply afford nu,ber 1 to be focused on Stevie more than other players.

Number 3 has two possible spilts; they are accurate, or they are inaccurate. I suppose whether or not they understand basketball would come into that, and that's up to each listener to decide.


However, if you do not feel that they are negative in general, but only towards Francis, and if you feel that they are usually knowledgable in theri ability to analyze basketball, it would seem to me that you are stretching things a bit to assume that Francis is the exception for all of thse things, and that the more likely scenario, like it or not, is that the problem is, in fact, that bad.

 

They criticize everyone not just Steve and I didn't think this was new, but it does seem to be more frequent this year then it has in the past.

I have never really thought they were homers and when they are, they know it and joke about it.

I like it.

 

i am off topic, forgive me.

do you know, within the basketball world, who was the original Mr. Clutch??

 

You don't think JVG instructs Steve to drive it to the side line to make the entry pass to Yao. Maybe not, but that seems to me the way they've been trying to start their offense for the last few games.

Other than that, yes I've noticed it too, and like Mr. Clutch said, I also noticed it last year.

 

I'll take a guess-

Jerry West?

 

Did you notice last year that they'd get mad at each other? I thought Bill was gonna smack Calvin some games.

 

Yes, I've noticed that also, can't remember any particular incidents, but the same thing happened this year. Yao got the ball stripped against Miami and Calvin sayed Yao needed to be stronger. Bill countered by saying Yao was clearly fouled (which he was), but Calvin said he didn't care. He pretty much said Yao needed to be more aggressive. The two of them went at through out the next play, Calvin kept saying he understood but Yao can't just let opposing players take the ball.

 

Verse, they are just telling the truth. Francis has some very bad basketball habits. He may be able to jump over the backboard, crossover almost anyone in the league, and is a highlight reel waiting to happen, BUT, he makes many fundamental mistakes, over and over and over. I have played, watched, and even coached basketball since I was a kid, and the play of Steve Francis frustrates me more than any player I have ever seen at any level. He is the agony and the ecstacy. One minute he is a highlight and the next minute he makes the blopper reel. I am waiting to see what JVG can do to help him.

As to Bill and Calvin, they are only saying the same things as the 29 year voice of the Rockets, Gene Peterson says, the same things that most basketball commentators on ESPN, or TNT, or TBN say. Most anyone who knows basketball sees the same things. If JVG can't correct Francis' basketball flaws or better utilize him, then, well who knows.

 

Yeah, I have always thought that Bill and Calvin were doing that so they could be heard when game tapes are being watched. That way the coach could tell the player "you see I'm not the only one who notices this crap you are doing out there!"
I am also wondering what some of the reasons were for bringing in Cooper... A WNBA MVP and stellar performer with the basketball, against women of course. But I'm not sure if what she says is being taken seriously any way by the guys on the team...But I wouldnt mind her stirring some **** up I would be laughing my ass off if she did.
Especially if she ripped our franchise player. Whatever or whoever it takes to make him stop going through traps after he is alread freaking trapped!
If it continues they need to give the rock to Jim Jackson just like other teams have thier small forward bring the ball up so should we. But after every basket they all take off and Steve is down there with his hands out...I'm sure things will start changing if this continues...JVG will have no choice. Right now he is probably glad that we have started this season so well by doing the number one thing he wants from the players to play tough defense. I just want us to keep winning...

 

Everyone is so quick to point out they're telling the truth,

but the point Verse makes is he doesn't notice it with other teams.

As much as you guys like to criticize Steve, I'm sure you could find a worse things to say with other teams and players but he didn't notice it on other games.

 

They also are getting on Yao for not dunking and not being aggressive. They are still nice to Yao, but if he keeps doing the same thing the next 4 years they will get mad, and so will the rest of us.

 

Maybe they get extra playoff checks. I've heard Calvin has a lot of mouths to feed.

 

It's because Calvin has more basketball smarts than most commentators and has alot of insight due to the fact he played the same position as Stevie. Calvin was undersized shooting guard wrapped up in a PG body just like Stevie. Calvin, however knew his limitations and knew when to pass the big man the rock.

Maybe Moses needs to come out of retirement for a few games just so he can beat the crap out of Stevie for not giving up the rock. "We got a big rat in the house tonight. Let's feed him a little cheese"(or something like that)

 

you know your BB

i supposed that you also know that the sillouette of "the Zeke from Cabin Creeks" dribbling left-handed is part of the official NBA logo