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Has America 'Jumped the Shark'?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 7, 2006.

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What Direction is American going?

  1. America is improving -IT is on a definate upward swing

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  2. America is leveling off. It is not going downhill yet

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  3. America is in the midst of decay. We are heading downhill

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  1. oomp

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    It's tough to narrow down, because high points for some, will always be low points for others. Two times that stand out to me:

    1870's with Edison and Bell inventing technology that would change the world.

    1940's the "Golden Era" when we were our most productive.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    Umm aside from music and sports, what is he talking about? If anything blacks will be marginalized by the increasing number of Hispanics in this country in the not too distant future.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Don't mean the 1950s when all of our major economic competitors were rebuillding their countries post WW2?
     
  4. JumpMan

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    That's a stupid way to look at it, "Look at all the white kids they're buying 50's records, and trying to dress like him, we're moving up in the world!", how does that help any black person outside 50 Cent and his family?
     
  5. oomp

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    Well in the past, Elvis would have stolen Fitty's music and made millions without Mr. Cent getting a dime. So it is a step up.
     
  6. MR. MEOWGI

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    Well that all leads us to the real question... Has rap music "Jumped the Shark"?
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    LOL. Yes, that is how the liberals saw it.

    Actually the only pro-America movie I think was Team America: World Police.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    If Black America believes that, then it's a good thing for America as a whole. If the people who have been traditionally in lower incomes think they can succeed, that is great. It's not a zero sum game though, one group does not have to move down for another to move up.
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    Proof positive that you are delusional.

    Next.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    Farenheit 9-11 was Pro-America. It was anti-George W. Bush.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    You said Next and then talked to me again.

    I don't buy that Farenheit 9/11 was pro- America. It basically said we fought a war for an oil pipeline in Afghanistan.

    Team America said America aint perfect but there are real terrorists out there that need to be fought. IMO. Which is why the liberal critics hated it so much. Again, IMO.
     
  12. Dubious

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    March 11 , 2000 was the high point of The American era.
    I was one rich muthafuka.
     
  13. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I intended to say 11/21/63, which was the day before. I saw him that day during his motorcade. He was about 25 feet away, in an open convertible. The next day the world ended, the world we knew, and America would never be the same.

    One example that stands out is the walling off of the President from the American people. I think we see the culmination of that with George W. Bush, who's every public appearance is choreographed, stage managed, if you will. Nixon stayed at a remove from the public, which was why his late night visit to talk with Vietnam War protesters at the Lincoln Memorial made such an impact. He was gregarious compared to Bush, who has had fewer press conferences than any President in modern times.

    Of course, one could argue that Bush is just like that, and would has been just as shy had Kennedy lived. In my opinion, had Kennedy lived, neither Bush would have become President.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  14. Fatty FatBastard

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    While I obviously disagree with your opinion about JFK being anything but a bad president, I will let that go. It's for a different discussion.

    So, in your words, America reached its peak the Day before Kennedy died???

    Innocence? Maybe a little, although I'm sure a lot of that was lost in the two World Wars.

    But to say that was the peak of America is silly. And I'm being kind in my assessment.
     
  15. tigermission1

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    Economically speaking, the 1950s (and early 1960's also) were the "golden era" in American history. For the most part, Americans could live well and afford the luxuries of life with only one income per household, a luxury most middle-class Americans can't afford today.
     
  16. mc mark

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    I haven't read through the thread so forgive me if it's been mentioned.

    People would say America landing on the moon was our peak.

    And although it was really cool and I prophesied it in a dream before it happened. I disagree

    I'm still naive and hopeful that we are still on the rise as a nation and a shinning light in a dark world. Although I feel like we've kind of strayed the last few years; Americans are hopeful, generally happy people.
     
  17. HayesStreet

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    I think its easy to forget that the advantages in wages the developing world now enjoys is a temporary phenomenon. As more jobs ship in and development goes up there is more pressure for wage increases and SOL increases. Just as Japan took US manufacturing jobs, then started losing them to S Korea and Taiwan, then SK and Taiwan started losing them to China, so will China to the next in line. IMO the US is ahead of the curve, not behind it. Remember when the harbingers of doom held Japan high because of their high savings rate? Well guess what happened when they started making all that cash - their savings rate started going downward and their spending/consumerism went up. IMO Bigtexx is correct somewhat because innovation is the only sustainable engine of growth. And our system - our combination of entreprenurialism and transparency in the legal/financial system - is still the best for innovation across the board.

    So no, we haven't 'jumped the shark.'
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Music, Fashion, Dance, A sigificant amount of film, etc. That culture is driven primarily by Black America.

    The American culture that other nations are copying now isn't Frankie and Annette, it his hip hop. In fact with Jazz, swing dancing, even medical break throughs America's culture has largely been driven by black or African Americans.
     
  19. mc mark

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    not to mention, they always got the goods! you know what I'm sayin?

    ;)

    good post hayes

    For the last two years I've been working for a non-profit that writes international accounting standards that are slowly being adopted, voluntarily, by over 160 countries world wide. Guess which country we've had the hardest time convincing to join? the US
     
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  20. ROXRAN

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    It's all Truman like I have said in the past...(albeit Democratic President, before the democrats eventually changed and got wickedly neo-demoized...)
     

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