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Harden's Last Season vs Hakeem's MVP Season

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Apr 30, 2016.

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Better season?

  1. Hakeem - NBA MVP,DPOY, Finals MVP (Clutchfans named after the season)

    126 vote(s)
    74.1%
  2. Harden - players voted mvp

    44 vote(s)
    25.9%
  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    there was a time when Briand2714

    was a Rockets fan

    that time was never
     
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    Hakeem Olajuwon TS% 55.3 vs Kobe Bryant TS% 55.0

    Kobe was not exactly know for his efficiency
     
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    Career Avg. Offensive Rating

    James Harden 115
    Hakeem Olajuwon 108

    Career High Offensive Rating

    James Harden 126
    Hakeem Olajuwon 114
     
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    Briand2714 makes LOFs look like Rockets fans
     
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    Career Avg. Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 3.8
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1.1

    Career High Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 5.8
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.0
     
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    when Briand2714 takes a dump, it's fake rockets fan dump
     
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    Regular Season Comparison

    Career Avg. Offensive Rating

    James Harden 117
    Hakeem Olajuwon 108

    Career High Offensive Rating

    James Harden 125
    Hakeem Olajuwon 114
     
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    if they made a show with Briand2714, it would be called the fake rockets fan show
     
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    Regular Season Comparison

    Career Avg. Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 5.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1.1

    Career High Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 7.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.0
     
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    Regular Season Comparison

    Career Avg. Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 8.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.8

    Career High Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 12.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 7.9
     
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    93-94 Hakeem Olajuwon (Team 58-24, 1st in MVP Voting, DPOY)

    PPG-RPG-APG-SPG-BPG

    27.3-11.9-3.6-1.6-3.7

    52.8 FG%

    TS% 56.5
    PER 25.3
    Ortg 109
    Drtg 95
    Net Rating +14
    WS 14.3
    WS/48 .210
    BPM 7.0
    VORP 7.5



    14-15 James Harden (Team 56-26, 2nd in MVP Voting, Player's MVP)

    PPG-RPG-APG-SPG-BPG

    27.4-5.7-7.0-1.9-0.7

    44 FG% 37.5 3P%

    TS% 60.5
    PER 26.7
    Ortg 118
    Drtg 103
    Net Rating +15
    WS 16.4 (franchise record)
    WS/48 .265
    BPM 8.4
    VORP 7.8
     
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    93-94 Hakeem Olajuwon vs 14-15 James Harden

    PPG Harden > Hakeem

    RPG Hakeem > Harden

    APG Harden > Hakeem

    SPG Harden > Hakeem

    BPG Hakeem > Harden

    FG% Hakeem > Harden

    TS% Harden > Hakeem

    PER Hardern > Hakeem

    Ortg Harden > Hakeem

    Drtg Hakeem > Harden

    Net Rating Harden > Hakeem

    WS Harden > Hakeem

    WS/48 Harden > Hakeem

    BPM Harden > Hakeem

    VORP Harden > Hakeem
     
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    Do you see that DPOY award?

    Hakeem is quite literally twice the player Harden is. I mean we are comparing one of the best defensive players of all time to one of the worst. How is this a freaking comparison. WTF is wrong with this poll?

    I can't believe there are actually more votes for Harden. I'm truly perplexed.
     
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    If anything, it proves those stats aren't as important as you perceive them to be.
     
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    Dream's patented move that every big man and even superstar shooting guards try to mimic - the Dream Shake

    Harden's patented move - the head snap back and arm flail.
     
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    what's wrong with facts?

    Harden is a much better offensive player than Hakeem was, Harden's edge on offense more than makes up for his deficit on defense so it's comparable.
     
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    gotta think that's the anti-Tinman vote. You know, just to keep him riled up. :grin:
     
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    if anything, it proves those nostalgic, subjective opinion on players aren't as important as you perceive them to be.
     
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    The result :

    TS%

    James Harden 60.5%
    Hakeem Olajuwon 55.3%

    Career Avg. Offensive Rating

    James Harden 117
    Hakeem Olajuwon 108

    Career High Offensive Rating

    James Harden 125
    Hakeem Olajuwon 114



    Career Avg. Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 5.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1.1

    Career High Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 7.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.0



    Career Avg. Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 8.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.8

    Career High Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 12.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 7.9
     
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    Harden's 60% from the restricted area is not evidence that he is an excellent finisher. In fact, he's a rather poor finisher. The reason why it's so high is that he doesn't flail and do his head snap back when the finish is easy with little to no contact. However, any moderately difficult finish, he will flop or do his arms extended out thing which will draw a foul. When you draw a foul, that missed fg is not recorded. Most great finishers like Jordan, Kobe, Wade, T-mac(in his prime) etc. would actually try to finish on the very difficult attempts.

    The problem with Harden's approach is it depends on a independent third party. His effectiveness depends on the refs. If the refs decide not to fall for his floppage, he's screwed. We have seen it on many games. One off season of the NBA discussing how to call Harden could eventually ruin him. That's how fickle his talent is.
     

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