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Harden vs Klay

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by daywalker02, Apr 18, 2016.

  1. vlaurelio

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    So drafting, trading, and acquiring players are all just hypithetical guesses and not calculated decisions? LOL
     
  2. Htownballer38

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    That's because that is not his role in this particular offense. You have to put that into the equation when evaluating players.
     
  3. vlaurelio

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    Role=strengths

    Not your role=weakness
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm fine with that being your opinion, I just don't find it to be a valid one. Klay isn't really a superstar, he's a spot shooter on a contender....I mean, is he a good player? Sure, but he's a role player. He's a guy you put on a team with superstars, not a guy you build around. He's a Ray Allen, not a KG.
     
  5. astrosrule

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    Being able to pass is not a "role". If he was capable of doing it, he would.
     
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  6. Roxnostalgia

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    Why would a great shooter pass on wide open shots?
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Klay is not a good creators for others.
     
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    Dude he can pass the ball. Again his job is to score the ball and play defense on the opposing teams best wing player.
     
  9. Htownballer38

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    It's not just my opinion. A lot of the ex ballers consider him one. I guess their opinions aren't valid huh Bobby?
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm sure you think your appeal to authority makes your inaccurate opinion more valid, but it doesn't. It really doesn't matter to me how many people convince themselves of a false narrative.....even if they are former players.

    Anyone who thinks Klay is a "superstar" is only caught up in hype. It's like those who thought Lance Stephenson was awesome a few years back. I don't usually get caught up in that type of BS. Looking at it objectively Klay is an amazing spot shooter, but he doesn't bring a whole lot else to a team. If you have O linemen who are allowed to set moving screens to get him open looks and a superstar PG who will set him up with open looks then he'll hit a lot of 3's which is awesome but like I said, he's Ray Allen, not KG.
     
  11. astrosrule

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    No, he can't pass the pass. He also doesn't play defense (by any objective measure). Harden's job is to score, Lebron's is to score, yet they also pass and create. Klay can't do that
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Klay is a good defender.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    It's probably more accurate to say "Klay is a not terrible defender" because he's not actually good.
     
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  14. Mr. Clutch

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    Disagree
     
  15. astrosrule

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    how can you disagree with several years of stats that all confirm it?
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Publicly available defensive stats aren't good.
    -Morey
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    I wonder what non publicly available defensive stats would say about Kyrie smoking him for an average of 27+ points per game.....

    27+ points which is up from the 24 points he's averaged against the other opponents he's faced this offseason and the 19 points a game he averaged in the regular season this year.

    Probably just a coincidence that the best offensive production Kyrie has had in his career came against Klay.
     
  18. astrosrule

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    But you would have to think that they are completely wrong for certain guys, it's not like kahwi or green rate poorly, they look great by the numbers
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    Yeah, I'm not exactly sure why, it may be because Klay doesn't get as many steals or rebounds, or because of his role in the defense, or because he plays more minutes with the backups.

    But by experts he is pretty much considered a very good on the ball defender and does a good job defending pgs. He is often put on the pg instead of Curry if it's a good offensive pg.
     
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    I definitely do not agree with the sentiment that Klay is a great defender.

    I will say he's an intelligent on the ball defender. Rarely goes for fakes, stays down a lot and almost always stays in front of his man.

    They're the requirements for a good defender.

    I however am not going to choose Klay to get me a stop at the end of the game if I needed to pick 1 player. Given 5 chances I still probably wouldn't pick him.
     

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