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Harden or Paul George?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SidDaKid, May 12, 2013.

  1. jordnnnn

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    Obviously not worth the time. You are the type who sees the games we lost to crap teams and completely ignores the games we beat far superior teams. And anyone who truly believes James is a ball hog is just watching a different game than me. Have a good one my fellow Rockets fan.
     
  2. SSP365

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    ahhh yes the obviously not worth the time but ill still respond any way and take the fake high road response.

    i watch the rockets games, and i see harden barreling into multiple defenders trying to draw a flop while he has open players waiting in the wing for wide open 3pt shots.

    ALL THE TIME. CHECK THE FILM.

    I see harden totally abandon his man on defense, drifts to the paint not guarding anybody over extending our defense letting other players run ragged trying to cover wide open players because harden didnt guard anybody.

    Why do you think he always gets beat on back door cuts?

    Yea go take your fake moral high ground and watch more rockets games.
     
  3. TJ VS TR

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    It's cool. H=hate, lol. Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. If you disagree it's best to point things out and argue/discuss the matter at hand instead of ad hominem and grouping. If you don't think it's worth your time it's best to just ignore it. This join date thing is really sickening and has no place in a premier forum.
     
  4. jordnnnn

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    Successful troll is successful. Congratulations
     
  5. RoxBeliever

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    Give Harden someone like Hibbert, and then let's talk.

    Give credit to George though. He came out of nowhere to establish he's the breakout star this season and he's still sustaining his fantastic run throughout the playoffs. And against Lebron no less. He has no fear.

    MIA's lack of size is now telling. Bad time for their veteran shooters to disappear. Giving the ball to Lebron and expecting him to drive is getting way too predictable now. Who would have thought? MIA would be beatable.
     
  6. SSP365

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    brilliant. absolutely brilliant.

    join date attacks and now the utterly cheap and pathetic troll comeback.

    nice basketball related rebuttal.

    good job, good effort kid.
     
  7. Aleron

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    wait a second, are you suggesting that kobe doesn't take plays off and hasn't choked in the finals?

    Yeah I believe you're not a Lin fan, you seem to come from that other place, where stupid happens.
     
  8. jordnnnn

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    Fine. Go take a look at recently created players split stats in wins and losses. Explain to me how if Harden is so terrible haws able to put up superstar #s on excellent shooting percentages across the board in more than half our games?

    How can a guy who does nothing but barrel into the lane flopping and not finding teammates who are wide open shoot so well and find his way into over 6 assists a game in all those wins? I mean you have to have a good answer, right?
     
  9. SSP365

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    ohh look another one. another person who resorts to personal attacks instead of basketball rebuttals.

    and where o where did you see me suggest kobe doesnt take plays off or hasnt choked in the finals?

    and i dont like jeremy lin and his stupid thirsty fanbase.
     
  10. CCM721

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    "Harden's offense looks better than George's because he takes more shots"

    Even though the facts say the exact opposite.

    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  11. TJ VS TR

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    ..+1..
     
  12. 11Rox4Life3

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    lol. i really like george. i think his defense and rebounding is absoolute elite. and he's an improving offensive player. but he's not at hardens level offensively. i was frustrated with harden's turnovers and low % shooting in the last two months of the season too, but it's always looks sweeter when you're assuming consisntency on the opther end too. the bottomline is george isn't a very good offensive player. he scores at roughly league wide efficiency (while harden is +7). pg's best aspect offensively is his three point game, where harden has him beat too. he's a much better play-maker, prob the best in the league in terms of drawing fouls, and a better finisher at the rim.

    if george had harden's offensive output, then we'd be talking about george on the level with durant as a top 3 player in the nba. and while he's very good and has been very impressive in these first two games of the ECF, he's not at that level as an nba player.

    im also starting to think harden was more injured than he let on to be. how do you have a month like feb where ur as good as any player on the planet...then all of sudden have two months under 40%. at least in march he was hitting the three at a high rate maintaining good efficienc?. april was just all bad...

    im real interested to see harden next year. he's elite at creating a decent look for three at a good %, and he's elite at getting to the line. but he really needs diversity in his game to go against all sort of defenses. that means a mid range game, a back to the basket game, a floater would be nice (or more concentration to finish), and imo more sets where we have him coming off picks/screens for fast hitting plays where he catches, takes two dribbles and is at the rim (basically improving off the ball). i think it's amazing harden can be such a good offensive player with many facets he can improve on.

    i'll take this playoff version of george over the april/late march harden, but prior to that, harden's offensive game is just as big a gap as the defensive game...make no mistake.
     
  13. cbk41

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    Maybe you should stop attacking harden, blowing his flaws out of proportion, use some actual statistical analysis, and add a dose of context to your argument.

    Your argument is the equivalent of "harden is bad. Watch the games. Did you see the Pacers game tonight?". Just because some people attack your or your join date doesn't mean that your opinion automatically becomes valid. You seem hellbent on your analysis and thats part of the reason some posters here will fight you instead of debating you.
     
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    I really like Paul George and what he is doing, he is great. But honestly, Harden is superstar in the making.
     
  15. TJ VS TR

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    It'd be interesting if someone responds to this.
     
  16. Fair Dinkum

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    Harden is the no.1 turnover king in the NBA. If he can reduce his turnovers out of the top 10 or even top 50 players, then he would become far more effective. I think Harden's turnovers really affect the Rockets and is the cause of many of our losses.

    Also if Harden can play little defense. Not to the level of George but to a level where he doesn't give 3rd tier guards career nights all the time, Harden would easily be ahead of George.
     
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    exactly, too early to call it, their situations are SO different...at the very least wait until the end of these playoffs, that having been said george has been pretty ridiculous
     
  18. OTMax

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    Will be interesting how this plays out over the next few years. Harden can be the better of the two when it's all said and done, but he will have to work hard in a few areas to improve. The same goes for George, but he has the edge that he works hard and is already very good on defense and good on offense. Harden is very good on offense but terrible on defense. Honestly, I would love Harden to be more like George.

    Still, for this Rockets team especially against OKC in the playoffs, the young core we have and on the verge of going full rebuild - Harden was definitely what we needed. With George you would get some points and defense but with him you don't score enough and he doesn't draw the attention Harden does. At this point, you can't teach some of things Harden does on offense but you can work on playing defense the right way. Final verdict: Harden.
     
  19. wincan459

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    Tough call.

    In the regular season, Harden was much more effective in scoring. In the play offs, George has been great.

    I would probably take George for his size, and defense.
     
  20. Da_Spark

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    Harden put up better numbers overall even without fully utilizing his greatest asset which is off P&R's. Give Harden a David West and Roy Hibbert whom he can run pick & roll and pops with and his numbers and efficiency would even be greater.
     

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