Preach... It is a waste of damn time to move off the ball when you create a 4 on 3 (The goal of every offense) on every single possession. Leads the NBA in rim attacks every single year on top of that. Lead the damn league in deflections for god sakes. Unreal...
No, you just see it as this catch all solution without taking into account what the defense will actually do.
what? nobody is saying once James Harden moves off the ball they will unlock the greatest offensive player ever. All we're saying is what is 100% obvious, clear, and factual. Dude loafs around at the top, and the lack of off ball movement, especially with this roster, makes him easier to guard with double teams. That's obvious.
The Lakers are begging them to create 4 on 3s... and its working. They are DOMINATING this series defensively. All caps isn't strong enough of a word for that.
Do you really think they'll just let Harden back into the play like that? How many play makers are on this team? Do you realize that the more times we try to do that, the more times its likely gonna turn into a turnover and more easy points for the Lakers. Yall just sit there and say off ball like the defense are just gonna let Harden roam around the court. He's not small like Curry nor is his shot quick enough.
Also those "4 on 3s" quickly turn into "4 on 4s" due to the stationaryness of Harden. It's easier for a defender to recover from a double when after Harden passes out he just hovers near half court.
A nba defender CANNOT IMPEDE THE PROGRESS OF A OFF BALL PLAYER. So if two defenders are shading him off the ball, if he starts sprinting they cannot hold on to him. They have to let them sprint. That's when you call for a screen to set yourself free by rather cutting the basket or running some form of curl. At worst he takes two defenders with him fighting though screens confusing the defense even of it doesn't feel himself. Ar best you a freed up Harden who is by far our best shooter on the team.
Even if it's a bad idea (which I don't think it is, but it might tire him out quicker), it's still better than doing nothing.
Steph Curry isn't prevented from running dude. He gets bumped a lot but players can't freaking hold on to him. I'm sure defenders occasionally can get away with it but let's not pretend that majority of the time Curry still runs. Being bumped doesn't mean being held and prevented from moving.
Yea they can and regularly do and he doesnt draw fouls. He also has a quicker shot than Harden, is smaller and faster so its easier for him to run around screens off ball. He also has playmakers around him to get him the ball. It is not the same.
No they don't regularly hold Curry to the point he can't sprint especially running up the court. He gets bumped a lot but that still doesn't prevent him from running a lot evident from the fact that he ****ing runs a lot. Harden being stronger can handle the bumps better also. All he has to do is suck it up, put in the effort and try to actually sprint and call for screens to get free.
The hold him ALOT, and he dosent get foul called. That's one of the only parts of his game that isnt efficient, he isnt good at drawing FTs. Harden is also slower, can't shoot as fast and doesnt have as much play makers on his team who can make the right reads. Again, you guy's dont take into account the turnover problem which has been killing us all series.
Lol dude. Westbrook, Rivers and Gordon are more than capable of passing a ball to a moving Harden. Dude you are just trying to find any excuse there is for Harden being the laziest off ball guard in NBA history.
Not without having a massive amount of tunrovers to go with that, which is my point. More turnovers are wins for the Lakers, these guys arent good enough passers to make that happen. And if you want that to happen you would have to play 4 of them at the same time looool. Or you just have basic simple analysis, I'm looking for why someone who know's more about the game is not doing that, you are just simply calling others lazy without even taking into account anything else. Harden could move but would it yield consistent efficient results...that I dont believe.
You just created an argument for zero discussion of tactics for laymen in a basketball forum as no one here "knows more" than Dantoni or Harden. Right now our most lethal scoring option is useless in late game playoff situations. This results in a already discombobulated offense rife full of turnovers in late game situations because the team is so used to Harden dominating the ball. So I'll sacrifice a lot of turnovers for potentially a lot of turnovers if that means our best scoring option actually has a chance to put up some shots in late game situations.
Were discussing it right now, you always have the same answers that "harden is too lazy" and maybe its true lol or maybe he just woulndt be that good of an off ball player. You are assuming Harden is a diva who wont adjust to what the coaching staff wants, when multiple players have come on record saying it isnt true. If we had better spacing on the roster, that wouldnt be the case, Westbrook destroys the spacing which it makes it so much easier to double. No you'll sacrifice more turnovers for something that most likely won't work. And we'll just get killed. Right now our turnovers should be way lower than the Lakers, we are matching that. That could get much much worse.
Every adjustment Harden has made the past half decade were adjustments that allowed him to move his feet less. His improved defensive effort lately is the only thing counter to that. But on offense that is literally every adjustment for him. Let's see if he's willing to adjust in the reverse trend in something that requires him to move his feet more.
