Yeah, but it'd make it extremely difficult to trade him. And if the player knows that a trade is highly unlikely, then even if he's disgruntled, he's still going to show up in order to collect his paycheck.
Maybe try reading this and maybe try reading this. I donno what sources Clutch has but I know that all this crap that is coming out looks very umm "sympathetic" to Tillman. The man went on TV and said he forced the trade through and you goofs still otherwise. I have never said Harden did not have a hand in this trade. BUT WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IS THAT IT WAS A HIM OR ME SITUATION. And all these "sources" are really just mouth pieces for Tillman right now. You hate Harden so much that you'll believe anything that fits your stupid narrative.
Drexler forced himself out of Portland. Hakeem arranged his landing. Superstars make things happen behind the scenes in different ways, different people have different touches. Harden did not "force" the Westbrook trade, Tilman did. He stated himself that the deal was dead because his "ops team" were uncomfortable so he pushed the deal through personally. If you are going to argue semantics, then be truthful and even handed. And for fvck's sake learn some history.
Where do believe MacMahon and Feigan are getting their info, especially after the fact? Feigan is well known Rockets mouth piece, plenty of fluff stories he's put out favoring organization and MacMahon is very close personally to TF and his family (just like Stephen A).
And none of that indicates that Olajuwon forced the Rockets to trade Thorpe for Drexler. It sounds like you're the one who needs a refresher course on Rockets' history. And we know that Harden supported the Westbrook trade even though Morey didn't. Do you really think Tilman would've made the trade if Harden/Morey were united against him? He's a businessman. He's not going to alienate his two biggest assets.
I'm not really all that committed to this hill... It's not that important to me... so I'm willing to be convinced. I'm believing the reports and opinions discussed at the time, which aren't different from what Clutch is saying now. I didn't believe Tilman then and don't believe him now. He is a blowhard. He might be telling the truth, he might not, I simply don't care to listen to him. So if you tell me what source other than Tilman, that says - Harden was not the cause and driving force of the CP3/WB trade I'll gladly give it another thought. And dont you dare quote or link me to Patrick!
Per your own hypothetical, both Morey and Harden wanted D'Antoni re-signed. Did that happen? Both CP3 and Harden wanted Ariza re-signed, did that happen? Harden cherished Morey, but TF drove him away regardless. I was wrong you're not just naive or ignorant, you are knowingly obtuse and proud of it.
Do you believe Morey? If Tilman's own words (which is the source of all those other reports you believe) do not convince you the what about Morey? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ell-westbrook-the-most-intense-of-his-career/ Morey also shared the interesting detail that Harden initially wanted to know if the Rockets could get the deal done to add Westbrook without having to give up Chris Paul in return; something that was ultimately impossible. Props to him for trying, though. "His mind is always [going] first to 'How [can we be] completely stacked?'" Morey said of Harden. "When I let him know it probably wasn't going to happen, he was good. He understood. He said, 'Hey, if there's a way to make it happen, let's do it,' but he understands that you can't just snap your fingers and make things happen in the NBA. No one is out there trying to help us. It's always a dynamic when you're trying to get the deal done." https://spacecityscoop.com/2020/10/18/houston-rockets-tilman-fertitta-chris-paul-trade/amp/2/ Now Tim McMahon is saying Harden forced the trade which is a DIRECT contradiction to his assertion right after the trade. MacMahon cited Fertitta’s dislike with Paul’s contract as the reason for him wanting Paul moved, but also added that former Rockets GM Daryl Morey simply made the move to appease his superiors.
So you are telling me i shouldn't believe Clutch, Macmahon, Iko, the cat and others because they get their info from the team, but I should believe the info from Morey who IS the team, since he is employed by Tilman at the time. I mean if Morey hated the trade, he couldn't exactly tell the truth there. I posted the tweets from MacMahon from LAST YEAR that explicitly said "harden was the driving force" of this trade. Again I'm simply trusting what was reported by people I consider credible, namely IKO, Macmahon and Clutch. They havent changed their story from last year to now. I'm willing to listen to other sources if you say those arent credible since their info is from the team. So what sources contradict them? And where do they get their info??
The new narrative has conveniently removed TILMAN FERTITTA from the Westbrook trade fiasco. Everyone and their mother is NOW saying that Harden has demanded and received EVERYTHING he has dictated to the Rockets. Poor Rockets.
I think he is with his fam right now. Can you prove otherwise? Just getting paid 10M instead of 8M to do so. Great gig if you can get it.
I'm sure negative stories are being leaked by the Rockets & Tilman confidants. Some are probably true, some exaggerated, some just plain old lies. It happens nearly every time a star leaves an organization. IMO we aren't even close to the tip of the iceberg of truths, half-truths and lies yet... Wait till Harden is actually traded . Personally I dont find the new narratives, sympathetic to Tilman. It just confirm my beliefs that he is a blowhard... and definitely no Pat Riley/Jerry West or Micky Arison, Buss.
see, when you sound like you’re having a seizure it’s hard to converse with you. I don’t have to read it again because I have maintained the truth is in the middle, you actually came out and had posting diarrhea for which you kept replying to anybody saying harden was a driving force. it’s the same pattern, I have nothing to gain from this deny it all you want.
The Rockets tried extending D'Antoni. He wasn't interested in returning. As far as I know, he didn't even negotiate. He was done with Houston. Regarding Ariza, you're failing to consider a few things. First, Phoenix gave him a 100% increase in pay. After his terrible performance against GSW, it's understandable that TF didn't want to match that (and go into the luxury tax in the process). Secondly, you've failed to consider the scope of these transactions. Ariza is a replacement-level role player. Neither Harden nor CP3 were willing to fall on the sword for Ariza. Regarding Ariza, if TF acted contrary to Harden/Morey, it's something they could recover from. That move (or non-move) doesn't change the direction of the franchise. But if TF forced a CP3/Westbrook trade against the wishes of both Harden/Morey, he would've alienated them both. Do you understand the difference?
I capitalize this so that you dont miss what I wrote. And no, I only responded to a few people. Stop mentioning me with your posts. You can try to say 50% Harden and 50% Tillman but when it comes down to it, the dude went on live TV and said he had the final say in it. I have never said Harden didnt play a significant role in this. But I have maintained it wasnt a him or me situation. So dont mention me again if you just wanna complain about how people dont listen to your bad posts. You are so good at projection, it is truly fascinating.
You really need to do your due diligence better. Your takes are simplistic and misanthropic. You just have zero clue.
