Hard to criticize Howard's effort level when he's a spectator on offense

^^^This

 

HP.. When they got the bigs involved in the Clippers game and Harden wasn't holding the ball for 22 secs the offense was running smoothly...

You are hung up on this double team thing and not once did I say he was consistently getting double team... I was responding to SF3 on his comment about double teams that WHEN Howard has gotten double teamed he has passed out of them.

5 touches for any big man in entire half is just crazy... There's no balance to this team... You have to get your big men involved.. Howard, DMo.. etc... This team will stay inconsistent with this unbalance offense.

T_Man

 

I don't think you understand what you are looking at when you are looking at Dwight. I KNOW the Rockets don't hate Dwight. I don't think they know how to feed Dwight. It's one of the reasons why I was a fan of Morey trying to get Rubio to Houston. He knows how to feed post players.

I agree with everyone here, Dwight should not be making many moves on the block. I also think Dwight realizes this too.

Dwight gets position OFTEN with 1 or 2 feet in the paint with his man at a disadvantage. Like I said: Position is fleeting; the window for a pass is so small. Guards have to recognize this and should have eyes on Dwight ALWAYS.

You are looking at Dwight when the window has already been closed and the guards are passing to him too late. Dwight is getting the ball when he has already been pushed out toward the 3 point line.

Dwight gets a bad wrap for getting those silly fouls (some of them are). Dwight gets some of those fouls because he is running for early offense and jockeying for position before the offense is initiated. If the guards are looking at Dwight when he is doing a rim run he is in the middle of the paint waiting for the ball, but the guards go straight to the guard/guard pnr before looking.

 

The media is also saying that the Rockets have to get their big men involved... At half time Steve Smith and Rick Fox were commenting on this... Even Shaq, who has called Howard weak.. Has commented on how the Rockets are not getting the big men involved...

T_Man

 

THIS!!!!!!!

T_Man

 

We could go back and forth but I'm done. Howard is a good player just not a good low post player. Howard is in fact a horrible post player. He can call for the ball all he wants it won't matter he sucks in the offensive post. But I suppose you guys have to blame something and believing Dwight Howard is a good post player and the team doesn't know how to get him the ball is easier than believing that he sucks at post up positioning. They have no problem posting up James. They have no problem passing it to Dmo in the right position (I Agree he should get it more in the post). But for some reason they just forget how to correctly pass to the post when Howard is down there hmm. We've been using that excuse since he got here, it's time to let it go.

 

News flash...

This was the same thing with Yao... I was not the biggest Yao fan...

But I do agree that the guards could have done a better job getting him the ball down low.. When they let that window close they put Yao in some very bad situations...

T_Man

 

Dwight sucks he's the reason we're not elite

We pay a soft child $22,000,000 for him to joke around and brick FTs

If Dwight had a superstar work ethic and became a great offensive player we would have had SUCH a better chance to get championship

What is Dwight Howard now? Oh he's just a Deandre Jordan, he's just an Andrew Bogut

He's absolutely nothing and we waste major cap on him that child gotta go

 

No one is saying he is a good post player why do you keep saying that?

All people are saying is look when he has his man pinned.

 

No they are saying he needs to get the ball more in the post.

 

If we were talking about Yao Ming I would agree that he should get the ball more in the post. We are not talking about Yao Ming.

 

If you have played organised basketball, you would know that this is really true.

Big men has it tough, the defend, rotate, box out and be physical all game. It is only natural that they are mentally weakened as the game goes by, whether they like it or not. By giving the big man more touches, it involves their minds more in the game, helping their focus and their effort. Its not childish, its the reality of being a big man in basketball.

Should we have more post-ups for Dwight then? No. I cringe when he posts up against anyone, it's either a turnover/miss/foul and at least 1 missed free throw. What the rockets should do:

-more PnR will Harden and Howard
-more off-ball actions for Howard, to get him easy basketballs when he cuts to a basket sealing off his man
-PLEASE for God's sake throw him the ball in transition when he runs down the court and seals his man deep in the paint

 

This is exactly what i'm saying... Not just Howard, but also DMo...

T_Man

 

*easy baskets

 

Yea, when he has his man pinned so where are you getting that he is a good post player from?

 

We are talking about more touches. Even when Dwight has his man pinned, he misses the pass or commits an offensive foul. He does not get easy dunks from his pins I don't know what games you guys are watching. Maybe Howard 4 years ago got easy dunks off of pins not anymore. Best case scenario from his pins is he gets fouled. HE DOES NOT MAKE HIS FREE THROWS. Dwight needs to get involved in the offense in other ways by setting his picks correctly and working to get open off of penetration by the guards. It's going to take you guys another 30 games to realize this. It's OK we can just bump this thread by game 60.

 

I'm glad you're done because you don't seem to be reading anything we are typing.

I don't get why you can't wrap your brain around what is good for one player might not be good for another.

If you READ what we are saying WE AGREE that Dwight is not great in the post. Nobody in this thread has called Dwight a good post player! Dwight is goofy but he isn't an idiot, he knows too. It's the reason he runs to get position because he knows that's where he can score easily and get involved. What sucks is he needs at least 1-2 players to be on the same page since he doesn't have the ball at all times.

Harden and DMO are infinitely more skilled than Dwight, so of course you can pass them the ball anywhere and they can get a bucket. You can't expect Dwight to do the same things Harden, and DMO can do.

The game of basketball is EXTREMELY nuanced. Post passing and positioning is one of those nuanced skills you have to practice and have a mutual understanding

We haven't even talked about the hockey pass - the pass before the pass!! Dwight will yell at DMO or TJ when he is being fronted knowing there is a hi-lo opportunity..

 

A PIN IS A POST PLAY. Geez, lol. You guys realize it results the same. Dwight does not get easy baskets from this he will just be sent to the line or it will bounce right off his hands, turnover.

 

Well the only way to know if he has it going is to try, You may get a Kings game where he misses or may get clippers game where he has it going.

I mean he made his only post attempt last night and he was being gaurded by Ryan Anderson in the 4th. All people are asking is see if he can something going.

 

This is so true. We are all rec league all-stars but some of us have played some organized basketball and realize Dwight's frustrations.

Playing organized basketball as a Post player can give you even more insight.

I'm trying to think if anyone on the Current Rocket's Roster played with a traditional post player in High School, Middle School or College. DMO is the only one I can think of that has experience passing to the post.