D, our cross trolling aside inside reports by multiple sauces confirmed that jim pushed for it hard. There was even an interview where he said it. The reports were coming out during paul's last season too
After we traded Moses we won 14 games in ‘82-‘83. Three years later we were in the NBA finals. We are going to have 2 first round picks this year, and I believe 3 first round picks next year. We should have cap space for free agents. While I’m disappointed we didn’t win a championship with Harden, I’m already looking forward to the future. All teams have ups and downs. It’s been a longtime since we did a proper rebuild. We already have several promising young players and I’m looking forward to the draft. Harden wanted to leave and the fans had nothing to do with it. It doesn’t make any difference if we loved or hated Harden. He’s gone, now we move forward.
F the reports and you spreading the big F'ing LIE. Tilman BRAGGED about how HE made this trade happen OVER AND OVER AND OVER in multiple media outlets AGAINST the recommendations of Morey who got "weak" at the end. At this point you ALL are just gaslighting yourselves.
Tim is also the one who said that there was never any real animosity between Paul and Harden. Tucker and Rivers went out there and said that same thing. This was never about getting rid of Chris Paul, it was about getting Westbrook. But ALSO Nook has said time and time AND TIME AGAIN that Tillman is the one who forced the trade through. The D BAG ACTUALLY WENT AND SAID IT ON TV.
Can you show me a deal that could have happened if Tilman decided to dip into the luxury tax? Was there a name thrown around? Anyone who wanted to come here that could make a difference, actually make Houston better than the team we had with Paul? I'd love to know what opportunities we had and missed on due to bad ownership. Because I don't remember any.
There are also multiple reports that it was not about trading Paul it was about getting Westbrook. The "reports" also say Tillman and his pin headed son had a big hand in the trade as well. Idk how many times Nook has to come in and set the record straight on this matter.
why cry over spilled milk look at what happen the two stars wanted Ty Lue and we had to get Stephen Silas the owner wanted JVG who did not want to leave the Broadcast booth unless the two stars were fully commited to his scheme so you have to sometimes take the good with the bad the good side we get draft picks that can help you got a future star in KPJr and John wall and you get future stars in this years draft. so yes its a rebuild but look on the Brightside we get to get new stars that will want to come in and work and be great NBA players.
Conspiracy theorists ignore facts, this has been proven. They believe what they want to believe with every fiber of their lunacy.
That second GS series was literally decided by a couple of points. Jaymychal Green and Garret Temple deal was on the table but Memphis backed out because Tillman waited to long to okay the deal due to being cheap. Ryan Anderson and picks as well AS Melton were given away for dodging the tax. Ariza was not resigned. Our trade line acquisition was SHUMPERT LOL. And we gave away picks in that deal too. Those were all moves to dodge the tax, you really think Daryl couldnt find a better deal than that? Yea right.
Dude you are stretching so hard. The franchise player, coach and GM all left although they love Houston and want to win a title here. It is certainly systemic, and all that remains (i.e. the root problem) is Tilman. Imagine a James Harden retiring after staying in Houston and not winning a title because he was always one player away. That's his whole career, that's what your dad and grandpa faced in their 60's to 80's, Harden has to end his career by the time he's mid 30's. Do you think Jordan would sit around nearing the end of his prime without a title? Lebron? Durant? Shaq? What kind of competitor does that? You are asking for someone to exit their alpha identity to remain patient? These people are not patient with these things. Why should Harden not have 2-3 titles right now when he is showing that on a super team he is every bit as good as Durant and Lebron and Curry? He's been watching those guys rack it up so he wins one with his adopted hometown, but till when? He has 2 years of prime MAX left over, and he saw what Paul and Howard and Westbrook were like when father time comes calling. We were always one addition short. When we dealt Clint for Covington, we needed both. When we dealt Howard for (eventually) Paul, we needed both. When we dealt Paul for Westbrook, we needed two mediocre sidekicks like that. Do you understand? The two best players we gave him were declining Paul and declining Howard. Lebron or Durant wouldn't even agree to a super team with both those guys COMBINED. Why does Harden's title have to be more difficult than everyone else's even after he tried so many times and shattered records to get us there? It's NOT on Harden to be more than to bring historical on court impact worth more than his salary. That's it, that's his responsibility. Yes, it was possible if Morey was given the green light. The transactions unquestionably show that we did not have the green light to take on salary so that we could move from knocking on the Finals to knocking on the LOB Trophy. You seem to be mad at something young people do these days and are projecting here. It's totally irrelevant. Tilman received a top tier contender and before Harden's trade demand, we were looking like a 5th seed. Who's responsible for THAT? SAME COACH, IMPROVED FRANCHISE PLAYER, ONE OF THE BEST GM's IN THE NBA. Do you think it's a coincidence all the guys who left are instantly back on elite teams? Those guys are the best of the best. The only person who had EVERYTHING he needed to win a title was Tilman. Everyone else did their best and it's stunning that we were competitive against the Warriors in these circumstances. The Warriors wiped the floor with Lebron James 4-1 and 4-0. This is 100% on Tilman. No one doubts that Harden can win a title on a loaded team, just like everyone else who wins titles these days. No one doubts Morey knows what he's doing regardless of who the coach or franchise player is. No one doubts they are running MDA's offense in Brooklyn with a defensive coordinator lesser than the one we had in Houston. No one is suffering from Harden's defense. No one is suffering from Harden's off ball strategy of getting out of the way. All these things were imaginary, and instead of looking at the source you are ******** on the guy that clearly outworked everyone in the organization top to bottom for 7+ years.
Tillman's a moron that grabbed the limelight thinking he made a sneaky GOAT trade that everyone else already knew was dumb. Can't use a guy that ran his coach, GM, blest player away in the span of 2 months as the bar. Morey is the only documented person vehemently against it that i'll agree. At some point you can't dismiss any coverage you perceive as negative "fake" Its like the fake news thing
Daryl Morey who landed in Philly and overnight made them the #1 seed and catapulted Embiid's career. He must not know what he's doing, just the luckiest man in history to fall into a prodigy-like role in Boston, unseat a franchise legend GM in Houston and almost take down the most talented team in NBA history with a spending handicap, and then lands in Philly and they are #1 and Embiid is suddenly the top MVP candidate. How lucky!!
Lol right??? Like lets just for arguments sake that Morey was for trading for Westbrook(LOOL) you think he would let himself get ass blasted in a trade by giving a way 4 picks for Westbrook????? Haaaaaaaaaaa, yea right.
CP3 has never blamed Harden. And we all know Paul, he will not hesitate to put you on blast. Paul has said things about Harden but never that he pushed him out of Houston. Paul WAS salty with Morey for a sec but it was because he was promised by Morey that he would NOT be traded. Morey was forced to eat his promise because of TILMAN FERTITTA who personally pushed through the Westbrook trade - just like HE SAID he did. Harden wanted a THIRD star. He tried to recruit Jimmy Butler to play WITH him AND Chris Paul. And his initial excitement was to bring in Russ to play WITH himself AND Paul. As for Harden and CP3 getting into it once or twice, this is really silly. Competitive people will disagree from time to time, it's because they are both alphas and why they respect each other for same reason as well.
You got it right up until the end. MacMahon is the definition of FAKE NEWS. Timmy is not a one time fraud. He has sucked the Fertitta hose on multiple occasions trying to redeem his rep. How many players, especially Rockets players, have called out Timmy for his lies. Cuban, Harden, Morey, Rivers, CP3, Westbrook and even BOOGIE F'ING COUSINS has said this guy is FOS.
Morey has tried or traded every significant rotation player who can't shoot for the past 10 years and even Ben Simmons this season and he WILL trade Simmons if Simmons doesn't try shooting and they flame out. Yet, Morey gave up 4 picks and Paul for Westbrook without any pressure. No wonder he left. He can't come out and say they made me do this or that, or that he's not actually allowed to spend the LT unless we're acquiring Lebron James for free lol. Finally, when it came time to trade Harden, even the analytics-loving Morey could not go through with it. Could not even have an honest conversation with his boss, and Morey is a man who has been criticized for being too honest. Or should we blame Harden for not being a good GM too? Which other superstar has criticisms like: - Why are you not a great GM? - Why do you stand still with your defender 30 feet away from the basket and out of the play? - Why don't you defend like Kawhi even though you score like Jordan, pass like Nash, rebound better than all your PF's and play minutes like Wilt? Hahahaha. Sadly the last one is not even slightly exaggerated. These fans bring shame to the organization. Who is going to sign with us when our owner is just like these fans, don't understand what's happening outside Houston.
This guy is majorly sus. You're starting to smell like Patrick bro. The defender of the indefensible.
we can argue back and forth, but i don't think no amount of evidence can change the dummies who r dead straight on Harden being the sole reason y we are in this shtty position, not the cheap ass owner who likes to plaster his face on everything. Like i said it before and i will say it again. If tilman refused to go all in for harden, u can bet your ass he will not do it at all, no matter what bs he sprouts out of his mouth. Ducking lts like it's the plague when we had harden.
Soooo, Green and Temple... Those guys were going to bring back the glory days to Houston? Are you serious? That's the deal Tilman did not pull the trigger on that would have this forum enjoying two championships and going for the 3rd....Please....
