I want to see truth too, but I don't think the story is exxagerated, I think she deserves some sort of punishment for being a traitor. How would someone be viewed today if, we got in a massive conflict with N. Korea and there were soldiers captured, and they went to N. Korea and called our soldiers/president war criminals?
Where are No Worries, glynch, rimrocker and Achebe? Guys, come on, defend your own!! Oski? Anyone?? Jane Fonda sickens me.
I posted this because I was utterly disgusted by it. And to find out that much of it is true is mindboggling. I can understand how someone can be for peace and against a war, but to let that drive you to cause death and infliction of pain to American servicemen should have her thrown back to Vietnam. How convenient to come back after a few weeks pampered in Vietnam to the US and live in the luxury and freedom that was attained by Americans like the ones that she was responsible for their death. The worst part is that IT WAS A DRAFT!! Its not like these troops just decided to go in and fight themselves, they were living comfortably in the US then thrown into a jungle at 18 years old. I don't agree with some policies of our government and I feel that war SHOULD be a last resort, but to take out that on soldiers that are fighting for the country is ludicrous. If you have a problem with the actions of the government, you speak and logically state your reasons and protest as is your AMERICAN rights. I have so much respect for Treeman, Lynus, My cousin and other friends and other Americans willing to serve in the nation. I would be proud to one day serve my country if needed. If I ever see this b*tch I would give her a piece of my mind!!!
I'm against war too, but don't try to make this out to be a case for anti-war protesters hating Americans and the American soldiers. Jane Fonda is a complete b*tch for this, and while I agree that the war in Vietnam was probably not a conflict we should've been in, none of that disagreement or resentment can be directed at the soldiers. Jane Fonda's anger and resentment was misguided, and she cannot call herself a humanitarian with her actions. No matter the conflict, no matter what your view on a conflict, you can't take that out on the soldiers. I know I'm not the only one who respects and reveres our Veterans (some of whom, unfortunately, have really gotten the shaft from the gov't., but that's another story), just as I respect and support our soldiers in Iraq or anywhere in the world. I just don't support the war.
Hey, Jane Fonda sickens me too, but don't lump all liberals together, I could just as easily ask you to explain David Duke, he was a Republican too. And before you go off, I know you don't agree with David Duke.
Jane Fonda has acknowledged that she was wrong, and has apologized. I am in the "let's forgive, but never forget" camp. I will never spend a dime on any entertainment vehicle she is a part of again.
Sonny, here is a quick point-by-point summary of the piece Khan posted followed by snopes' conclusions on each (where available). Of the 5 parts he talks about, 2 are fabrications, 2 are probably true but don't have much to do with Fonda and 1 is true. How is that not an exxageration? Jerry Driscoll clubbed for spitting at Jane Fonda and suffering double-vision: Not true. Larry Carrigan & others slip notes to Jane Fonda who turns them over to the Vietnamese, resulting in their beatings from which 3 die: not true. Author buried a missionary: NA, but certainly credible. Author reduced to 90 lbs in POW camp: NA, but certainly credible. Author beaten with bamboo cane for telling Fonda about his conditions: true.
So basically we have most of an urban legend debunked-- the most sensational charges against Jane Fonda. Jane has apologized over and over for these actions. Of course Henry Hyde at 54 and Dubya at around 40 were able to apologize for their youthful indiscretions and all is forgiven. Now for the most important false urban legend: that people routinely criticized and belittled draftees for their role in Vietnam. Just not true, but it lathers up consrvatives and gets them to contribute to their favorite right wing cause. There were certainly a small number of extreme left wingers or bomb throwers who probably did this. However, unlike the little pleasant wars we have had lately, everyone of the age group had friends, neighbors and family who had been in Nam. People understood the plight of these draftees. I had roommates who had been to Nam. I protested the War. I think what happened much more often was that the sodliers were upset because they felt that they had been lied to by the government. The war also involved an enormous amount of heavy drugs and had more than its share of atrocities. In addition the returning soldiers realized that most young people,and at the end a majority of the population, were against the war. It was extremely tough psychologically for the guys. This is the reason why real military guys and not chickehawk, combat dodging ,guys like Bush Jr. Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz are so deeply concerned about sending troops to a major war when you don't have a strong majority of the population supporting the effort. If we don't have a perfectly pleasant little war and the country ultimately decides not much was accomplished by the war this could tragically happen again. It would make it very hard for the troops afterwards, whether they are criticized or not. It must be incredibly hard in Britain where close to 90% don't support the war but Dubya and Tony are sending them anyway. The troops realize this, but it is still no reason to support an unnecessary war.
All right! I got a reputation, w00t!!! I wish you would elaborate on how exactly Fonda is considered my own. Is it because I'm a Dem? I don't know what that has to do with this. Maybe it's about Iraq. Anyways, I wasn't even born in the 70's, let alone the 60's, so I fail to see how this applies to me. Nice try though. Though what Juan V. just posted shows that this story was a tad bit exaggerated. Wow, I never thought I'd be considered a hippie. I've always been asking for us to send our troops into places like Africa and Burma to save people from Tyranny.
Well you knocked the hell out of that straw man. "Routinely criticized and belittled?" Maybe not. But there is no question that the returning soldiers were not accorded the honor and respect given to veterans of all of our other wars. No question many of them were looked down on as "baby killers, druggies, and misfits" who could not/would not fit in to progressive society. I know. I lived in DC during all of the Vietnam war protests, and my father served one tour of duty in Nam. BTW, to this day he will not watch anything having to do with Jane Fonda.
First, I was never a big fan of Jane Fonda anyway. Second, if memory serves, Ms. Fonda's trip to Vietnam is dramatized in "The Hanoi Hilton" where an American actress belittles the American P.O.W.'s for bombing the peace-loving North Vietnamese Army, and says that they deserve what they get. Basically paints her as an out-of-touch near traitor. Although it's propagandist (and I'm about as right-wing as they get, sorry), still interesting that Hollywood would make a movie that belittles one of their better known own. I haven't seen it for several years so I can't remember it all, but still a decent movie.
Originally posted by bigtexxx Where are No Worries, glynch, rimrocker and Achebe? Guys, come on, defend your own!! Oski? Anyone?? [/QUOTE] What a sad disgusting statement. Originally posted by glynch Now for the most important false urban legend: that people routinely criticized and belittled draftees for their role in Vietnam. Just not true, but it lathers up consrvatives and gets them to contribute to their favorite right wing cause. Both my grandfather and father served in Vietnam and have recounted tales to me of being spit on, being harassed, and called names when they returned from Vietnam. Maybe you'd have a different perspective on your so called urban legend if you'd been a serviceman and no I'm not trying to take a pot shot at you for not serving but I'm sure you can appreciate that perception differs greatly by perspective.
Ummm, that is what debunked most of the charges. Maybe you should actually read the Snopes version before you decide to stick with it.
Timing, very sorry to hear how your dad/grandpa were treated. It makes me sick. If I saw something like that happen now, I am sure I would go to jail...
