You think I made that up? Let me give you a hint. This kind of murder is unique to Israel, in the entire Middle East region. You should be outraged as a Christian.
This style is why there is a vote whether or not to ban you. It doesn't address the substance of the argument and instead attacks the person. It isn't funny, and it isn't poignant. It isn't insiteful, or pointed. It comes off as if you get mad when people have different view points than yours. Then you start in with the accusations. The accusations of calling someone master assumes that they have to think like you or else they are supporting the oppression of others. Your view on a topic might be correct. Yours might be the most informed and most inciteful view out there. But because they make a 'mistake' and see things differently doesn't mean they are doing it from the worst possible motives which you seem to ascribe to them. You definitely have a minority voice on this board in some issues. I have found some of your posts informative, but the threads eventually deteriorate into this kind of annoying back and forth from both sides. I would hope that your minority opinion is allowed to flourish. However once this kind of petty, annoying bickering starts it gets annoying, and overshadows any points you are trying to make, or information you are trying to share. Even if you only want others to hear you, and don't want to look at anything they bring to the table to support their side, you should still give your point of view the best possible chance of it being taken seriously and considered by others.
I gather that you are talking about abortion. In that case, yes, I think Israel should outlaw abortion.
9 Palestinians die in IAF strike on Islamic Jihad rocket crew By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies GAZA - Nine Palestinians, including two schoolchildren, were killed Tuesday when Israel Air Force aircraft fired two missiles in Gaza City at the vehicle of an Islamic Jihad crew heading to fire rockets at Israel. The Israel Defense Forces said that the militants were on their way to fire Katyusha rockets, which have a longer range than the homemade Qassam rockets usually fired from Gaza. Seven of the dead were civilians, two were Islamic Jihad activists. One missile failed to hit the crew's vehicle as it drove in the heavily populated Zeitoun neighborhood, but the second missile struck its target. Palestinian witnesses said the second missile came two minutes after the first, after a crowd had begun to gather around the scene of the attack. Witnesses said they saw rockets in the wreckage of the yellow van hit in the strike. Shrapnel from a missile apparently flew into an adjacent house, causing casualties among children playing inside. "There was an attack on a car that was heading to fire rockets at Israel," an Israel Defense Forces spokeswoman said in Tel Aviv. One of the militants was Hamoud Wadiya, Islamic Jihad's top rocket launcher. The group identified the other militant as Shawki Sayklia. Among the dead were two members of the same family, a father and son. Also killed were three medical employees on their way to tend to the wounded from an earlier explosion. Hekmat Mughrabi, tears streaming down her face and her veil soaked with blood, said her 30-year-old son, Ashraf, and a 13-year-old family member died when one of the missiles hit the curb outside her home. She and her son were chatting on her bed when they heard the boom of the first missile. The young man ran to the door of the house after the initial explosion, seeking to calm down the family's children, who had been on the rooftop making paper kites during their summer vacation. "He was shouting to the kids, 'Don't be afraid, don't be afraid'," and hadn't even finished his sentence when the second missile hit, she said. "My son died in my arms." Shrapnel from the blast flew into the house, wounding several other family members, she added. Outside her house, dozens of people surrounded Wadiya's mangled yellow van, whose interior was a jumble of twisted metal and shredded upholstery. A man wailed beside the van as people propped him up by the arms. A white slipper lay in a pool of blood on the ground. Palestinian Information Minister Yousef Rizka, of Hamas, condemned what he called "the continuous series of Israeli massacres of our Palestinian people." "I call on the international community to immediately intervene to protect the Palestinian people from the increasing aggression of the Israeli occupation army, which will definitely provoke a response that will engage the entire region," said Rizka. Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas condemned the strike as Israeli "state terrorism." "What happened today is a brutal massacre committed against innocent civilians and fighters from our group," said Kader Abib, an Islamic Jihad leader in Gaza speaking to protesters outside a hospital morgue. "The Zionist enemy insists on shedding Palestinian blood and we insist on going ahead with our Jihad and resistance. God willing the resistance groups... will have a harsh response. All options are open for us." Khalid al-Baach, another senior Jihad official, said Israel was "exploiting the war between Fatah and Hamas in order to weaken and attack the Palestinian people." (for more http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/726378.html)
I'm curious how they know the car was headed to fire rockets. Were on the road marked 'immediate rocket firing this way only'? What a miss. Killing 7 innocents to kill two combatants is taking the ends to justify the means to a new level.
Beach deaths 'not Israel's fault' Nine killed in new Israeli air strikes on Gaza Manage Alerts | What Is This? JERUSALEM (CNN) -- An explosion on a Gaza beach that killed seven people last week was caused by explosives planted there by Palestinian militants, not artillery fire from an Israeli navy gunboat, Israeli military sources said. The Israeli investigation concluded that the possibility any of the six artillery shells fired from the gunboat last Friday could have landed on the beach was "almost nil," the sources said. The deaths of seven people -- all members of a Palestinian family having a beach picnic -- prompted the military wing of Hamas to resume rocket strikes against Israel after a hiatus of more than a year. The Israel Defense Forces report, to be presented to the Israeli Defense Minister and Israeli Chief of Staff Tuesday, will cite several factors that led to the conclusion that the explosion was caused by a mine planted on the beach by Palestinian militants, the sources said. An Israeli commando unit used the beach to enter Gaza for a mission in recent weeks, prompting the militants to place the mines, the sources said. Intelligence information gathered by Israeli investigators showed that Hamas quickly removed the remaining mines from the beach after the blast, the sources said. Investigators were able to locate where five of the six shells fired from the gunboat Friday landed and none of them were near the beach, the sources said. The sixth shell -- the first to be fired -- could not have killed the family because it was fired further north and too early, the sources said. Adding to the conclusion that it was not an Israeli shell that killed the family was an examination of photographs of the crater on the beach. The sources said experts found it was the type of crater caused by a planted explosive, not by an artillery shell landing from above. Finally, shrapnel removed from three of the injured by doctors at Israeli hospitals was not the from an artillery shell, the sources said. At least nine Palestinians, including two children, were killed Tuesday when an Israeli military aircraft fired missiles at a car in northern Gaza, Israeli and Palestinian sources said. Israel Defense Forces said the car was en route to a site where Qassam rockets have been fired into Israeli territory. Five Qassam rockets landed on the Israeli side of the Gaza border Monday morning, causing no injuries or significant damage, the Israel Defense Forces said. The Monday launches followed a series of at least 70 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza since Friday, wounding four Israeli civilians, the IDF said.
Good thing StupidMoniker has now recognized there are mass murders committed by the Israelis against their own innocent, unborn children. A real moral challenge to you one-issue, anti-abortion voters who are Bible-thumping Republican supporters, who, in turn, choose to support Israel over Palestine. Not only the Palestinians -- predominantly comprising Muslims -- are anti-abortion, they are also opposing homosexuals. And if you will, pro-guns. You see, they are with you on the same sides of the three main moral issues that dictate your vote for your political candidates. How can you not support Palestine, and how can you not oppose Israel? Does your moral conscience cease to function when you are confronted with international affairs?
The U.S. is into land grabs, so why wouldn't their Middle East bouncer Israel also be. The World Court is irrelevant if the U.S. doesn't back it up.
StupidMoniker may or may not be a one-issue voter, but he stated he would never vote for a pro-abortion candidate (something along this line). So I find his unconditional support of Israel is interesting, given his moral stance. P.S. - His interventionist position on U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is an added bonus for me to question him.
what an bizarre twist to the israeli issue. i suppose if you're not anti-abortion, you should now support israel? and if you are pro-life you back saudi instead of britain? very weird. This could change everything.
Uh-oh, since I am pro-gay rights, now who should I support in the Israel-Palestine conflict. Maybe it should be the side that actually targets the other sides combatants. For future reference, I would also never vote for someone who advocates targeting civilians. Those quotes were priceless. Blowing up the people that are about to launch rockets into Israel is a massacre? State terrorism? Exploitation of a war between Fatah and Hamas? That is an odd way to look at things. I would say it was an act of self preservation, but that is just my kooky, anti-aboriton, one issue view of things.
Let's be honest, gay rights issue doesn't carry nearly as the same weight as abortion in your one-issue assessment of political candidates, it's more suitable to direct at those three-pillar (anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun) voters. On targeting civilians, both Israel and Palestine are guilty of doing that. So it's a draw. But even if we assume the Palestine side killed more civilians than Israel did to its rival, the scale of the casualties is not even close to the twenty-thousand absolutely innocent and helpless unborn babies that were savagely murdered by the Israelis each year. Since you are also a hard core interventionist, don't you find it impossible to reconcile your fundamental Christian beliefs with your position on the US foreign policy in the Middle East, i.e., the unconditional support of Israel? [You see I can't challenge someone like MadMax because he is not known for 1) favoring interventionism, 2) one-sided support for Israel.]
1. How many abortions occur in the US each year? 2. Does stupidmoniker still support the US? So more abortions occur than are killed by terrorists? Should Americans not be so concerned about 9-11 since the same can be said about US?
