why does it matter? do you think people who feel as though they've been oppressed for 55 years care about the intentions of the oppressor (from their prespective)?
If it was accidental it matters a great deal, if it was on purpose it matters in a different manner. Has Israel apolgized? DD
I'm sure Israel did this "accidentally" This was probably done to provoke the Palestinians, because the truce was actually working
Hey, spare me the "its cute" comments. I actually have bias against both sides. They have both created this stalemate and they need to find a way back to the negotiating table. Israel has been taking out targets the whole time during this truce. So, how is that a truce exactly? It's not. So, they get most of the blame in my book. But, this whole thing is going to explode back to weekly suicide bombings and airstrikes yet again. And, that will just go on and on I guess solving nothing. Oh really. Seeing as how I copied it straight off of Yahoo! news headlines...that means nothing to me. Yea...and I didn't say Israel wasn't its own undoing in this situation. They are escalating the situation...which is no good for anyone. I hate what they did in shelling that beach. I hope it was an accident and not intentional. I hope an investigation will bring about answers. I don't think that was right at all and is inexcusable. But, I don't think Hamas calling off the truce is going to help either side. Just more death and violence. I also don't think Israel should have been targeting any Hamas officials during the truce since it's not really a truce if one side is breaking it. So, am I torn up that Hamas is going back to suicide attacks...not really. Israel doesn't seem to be...or they would have not brought it on themselves by whatever it is they think their doing, i.e. in the name of protecting their citizens we shall do whatever we want. So, whether you think so or not, I blame both sides for this mess. I agree that this blame is not always equal. Both sides have a tendency to swing that pendelum their way when they do stupid stuff that helps noone but feels more like a copout.
Looks like it was a tragic accident "The Israeli military said its chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, ordered a halt in artillery attacks in the area while an investigation was conducted. “We regret any harm caused to innocent civilians,” army Capt. Jacob Dallal said. Israel offered medical assistance, including evacuation to hospitals in Israel, to the wounded." Israel should offer to make reparations for this accident to the families affected. At least show more remorse than just a simple "Sorry" DD
What do we owe them and for what? Israel and Palestine in my book are two of our biggest foreign policy mistakes. As DaDa put it best, screw them both. What I care about is the land and only the land. I don't give a damn as to who occupies it, as long as Jew, Christians, and Muslims are given free access to worship at their holy sites. If Muslims are allowed to worship at Al-Aqsa and if Israel respects the sanctity of Al-Aqsa and the Dome of Rock, then let Jerusalem be under Israeli control. As a Muslim, having Jerusalem under Israeli control does not offend me, nor should it. What would offend me is if Palestinians lived in the Holy Land as good citizens, without terrorism, and then were not allowed to worship freely in the lands so dear and holy to them. That would be an issue. Bottom line, the Israelis are f'd up and so are the Palestinians. We don't owe either of them anything. Both have shown us that they are sh*tty allies of this country and its interests. Screw em both.
for one i think the notion that both sides are equally guilty which is perpetrated repeatedly by people who claim to 'understand thje plight of the palestinians' is a big farce. israelis are the occupiers and palestinians are the occupied. to demand the same wisdom from actions of people on both sides is stupid. palestinians didn't have a 'government' until i guess a bit before oslo. the palestinian security apparatus is worse than springfields in the simpsons. secondly about your analysis...well israel's wall is morally a disgrace and legally..well illegal...however it will limit suicide bombs probably. so i dont think the whole thing will not be solved. i think israel (as bush alluded to a few weeks ago) will be able to make its own border after taking tons of more palestinian land and some violence will continue but overall palestinians will get royally screwed under the watchful eye of the US. fair enough. than yahoo news is a joke. i agree completely. though i have little faith in israeli investigations. they will be as damning as US prisoner abuse slaps on the wrist. i agree. but i think its problematic to not expect and assume this will be hamas's reaction. secondly i dont know if hamas is as homogenous as we'd assume. is david duke a republican? i think it is crucial to not just 'blame both sides' but realize which side is the bigger culprit and frankly more capable of stopping this.
I applaud the Israelis for taking it upon themselves to solve their own problems. The security fence was a stroke of genius. Israel can draw their own border, pull all their people inside of it, post defenses, and then leave the Palestinians to their own devices. Once they claim the land inside the fence, they are no longer an occupying power, so that solves all the b****ing about how they are illegally occupying Palestinian land. If they had done all of this in 1967 it would have solved all sorts of problems.
Maybe the Israelis can then build a giant dome over their cities and really seal themselves off from the outside world. "Capricorn 15's. Born 2244. Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal."
Logan's Run references aside, the Israeli's don't need to isolate themsleves from the rest of the world, just from the Palestinians.
The West owes Jews for two millenia of anti-Semitism, which began, unwittingly, with the Gospels, and ultimately led to the Holocaust. We owe Palestinians for not ensuring equitable and peaceful formation of both Israel and a long overdue Palestinian state. And we owe ourselves for allowing it to help partially fuel the islamic terrorst movement. Also, considering that outgunned, outmatched guerillas probably thrive more on psychological rather than strategic victories, I bet the jihadists next tactical move will be to start destroying religous holy sites in Israel, possibly inclduing Islamic ones, just for propaganda purposes (sorry if that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I think the mosque bombings in Iraq are worhtwhile analogies). This would also mean no safe worship without Arab/Israeli peace.
Inside the fence, tens of thousands of murders are committed every year by the Israelis against the innocent children of their own. SM, don't you have slightest moral outrage?
The Israelis wouldn't be able to do anything without American support and sponsorship. The wall that you're praising is also illegal and was declared as such by the World Court. Anyways, back to the topic of this thread, do you condemn this act by Israel? What should happen to Israel for doing this, even it was an accident?
World court.....come on, the World Court? We talking bout the WORLD COURT????? It has even less relevance than the UN. Build the wall, close the borders, and stop all the darned killing. DD
DaDa, The World Court did not oppose the wall per se, they instead declared the route the border was taking illegal and in violation of past UN resolutions. In essence, they recognized the border for what it was: a land grab. So yes, I fully agree, let 'em build their wall and make it as high as they want it to be, but they should do it on their land, not the Palestinians'. It's grand theft, nothing short of that, but the Israelis know that -- as usual -- they will get away with it.
