1. I am fully aware that the PKK has committed terrorist attacks in Turkey. They are recognized as a terrorist organization by the EU, US, Canada, etc, etc. I never claimed they weren't a terrorist organization. My response to you was specifically about bombing hospitals and civilians which you denied Turkey ever did in Iraq. Yet they have been accused of such things just like Israel. 2. I'm not on either side in the Israel/Gaza mess. I'm on team USA in this conflict. I want our hostages safe and I want the US to not get dragged into a larger war in the Middle East. 3. My position on the hospital explosion in Gaza was not me repeating the Israeli position. There are videos of the explosion unlike the hospital that was blown up in Iraq. One video was close enough you could hear the weapon coming in. It sounded like a rocket motor. I also talked to a few guys that have a ton of experience at getting rocketed and they thought the same thing. They were in a base where they would get rocketed every morning. They would joke that they never needed an alarm clock because they got rocketed every morning at the same time. When they saw that video they said 100% that is a rocket motor and not a weapon coming off an Israeli jet. That's where my opinion came from and this is my exact quote from post 957 in this thread. "All I will say is that if this is video of the hospital explosion.... it sounds like a rocket motor coming in." Funny enough... that video where you can hear the weapon coming in was deleted off twitter... I also pointed out that there would be shrapnel pieces of an Israeli weapon all over with serial numbers that can be tracked. Where are they? Hamas should be showering social media with those images. Never happened. The US govt also said their initial independent review showed no evidence of a bomb strike on the hospital. That's where my opinion came from. Not from what Israel said when they have significant reasons to deny it no matter what.
Yes? I never claimed that Hamas didn’t murder Israeli’s and I certainly didn’t defend Hamas. So either pick a new straw man or pay attention.
There is no moral equivalence. Hamas is like ISIS. Israel must eradicate Hamas in order to address the most imminent threat to them (unfortunately, there are more threats - Hezbollah, and, ultimately, Iran). Hamas does target civilians and then hides behind civilians. Israel does actively try to avoid hitting civilians, but if the only way for them to fight against the existential threat they are facing is to hit back against terrorists who are hiding behind civilians, then any harm to those civilians is on the terrorists, not on Israel. Again, there is no moral equivalence. Not close. Also, the outpour of hate against a tiny number of people - Jews - and a tiny country - Israel - from parts of the Muslim community globally is concerning. It's sad that that is indeed part of the Muslim mainstream so much that people I greatly respect - in real life and on the forum - get taken in by that propaganda to some degree.
Nope. The reality is that both sides have been guilty of horrendous atrocities. Hamas is a terrorist organization - which I do support. Likewise Israel partakes in apartheid and has been sanctioned and reprimanded numerous times by the UN for their treatment of the Palestinians. The war between Israel and Palestine is not a clear cut black and white situation in my opinion.
I only heard about this here as didn’t see any coverage in the local news. There did appear to be a story about it when I searched but I didnt receive much coverage and haven’t seen anything on local social media about it.
It's not even close to the same. The argument you are making is as if you were saying ISIS and the USA are on the same level morally. Israel is fighting a fight we will all have to fight down the road. If you pay attention, you already see the same fanaticism Israel has been facing for decades in the anti-Western protests across the middle East, and, via the imported population, in the big cities in Europe and the US. One side wants to kill the other side. The other side wants to live in peace and just needs to defend itself. It's not the same.
