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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. tinman

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    The Romans have much better food than the Palestinians
    First of all the Palestinians don’t eat pork so eliminates lots of amazing dishes
    yeah go Julius Caesar on them
     
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    @Nook I wonder why bibi wants to extend the war as much as possible...
     
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    We know for 100% that Bibi does not believe in a two-state solution. He has supported Hamas in the past because he does not want a two state solution. He believes that all of the territory belongs to Israel and Israeli's and the Palestinians are not Israeli's and should not be there.
     
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    Because...... they all moved to Israel.

    Having said that - life is very hard for minority groups in the Middle East, especially non-Muslim minority groups.
     
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    why did they all move to Israel?
     
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    Lechon > chickpeas
     
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    Which makes Ben's plea for a different audience.

    Reminds me of post 9/11 where Americans who didn't like the invasion still felt compelled to defend her actions. Perfectly human thing to do...

    Life is also hard for Muslim minority groups in the ME...
     
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    Yeah Stiller's thoughts are reasonable and seem very close to my own.

    https://time.com/6989720/israel-hamas-war-ben-stiller-essay/
     
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    @Nook ex Israeli PM. Yikes
     
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    For many different reasons. Nations bordering Israel were pissed at Israel for creating a refugee crisis at their border causing them economic strain so some of those countries in retaliation were like "okay, Jews, you got your country now go there". So some of it was forced migration due to retaliation for Israeli's ethnic cleansing. Still had because forcing humans to move against their will is evil but I'm sure many of the Jewish people wanted to move to Israel.

    For the vast majority of the migration of Mizrahi Jews, it was a voluntary desire to migrate to a new country that promised them land l, property and to be part of the ethnic ruling majority.


    Ask yourself why a upper middle class Jewish Lawyer from Long Island decided to upend their family and move them to the West Bank. I don't think that Jewish Long Island lawyer was moving because of persecution....

    So obviously a large contingent of the Jewish population in the Middle East had the same.minswet and didn't need some Muslim regime to force them to move.
     
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    Clearly people fled Iraq and Syria and Egypt, etc. without selling their home or taking anything with them but what they could carry because they were excited about the new land of Israel, not at all because they were being persecuted by the Muslim majority.
    We need to talk about the ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Jews – The Oxford Student
     
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    Yes many Jews were forced to move and many voluntarily moved. You can emphasize all the forced expulsions but the voluntary ones where people wanted to move to a new place promising land, property and a seat at the political table along with the spiritual element of returning to their holy land probably aren't dramatic enough for you to care about.

    If a wealthy NY lawyer living a upper middle class life in Long Island can quite their American lifestyle for the West Bank, many Mizrahi Jews can voluntarily want to move to the West Bank where it's objectively less safe. You have to deal with that. Some people care a lot about "returning to the holy land"

    And those countries based their actions on a retaliation for creating a pariah state that created massive refugee crises in their own borders through the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians throughout the late 1800s till the formation of Israel as a state. Countries don't like when a bordering new nation causes a refugee crisis of homeless people at their borders because these countries aren't wealthy like western nations where they can support a sudden influx of homeless refugees

    Countries get angry about that. They don't like it and they do retaliatory things that are bad like expelling Jews to Israel.

    The difference here is when Israel expels Palestinians, refugee camps form. When Mizrahi Jews were expelled, a new nation directly meant for them promised them property, land, a seat at the table etc. and Im glad those expelled Jews had a soft landing spot from that experience of being removed from their former home.

    "But why didn't Palestinians in the Levant get accepted by countries meant for Muslims? There are many Muslim countries" is probably the retort and let me just be clear that this retort is based in dehumanization of people being reduced to singular traits like their religion. The Palestine of the Levant must have the same exact culture, desires, needs etc as an Egyptian or Iranian etc. The people of Egypt should not be responsible for the refugee crisis their neighbors caused.
     
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    I'm sure the Jews of Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Morocco, Yemen, Iran, and Lebanon were all much more similiar in culture, desires, needs, etc. to each other and to all the Levantine, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, and American Jews in Israel than the Muslims in Israel were to the Muslims in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon. It isn't like they were radically different racially, spoke different languages, and had different cultural traditions. That only applies to Muslims living in the Arab world. What absolute nonsense. All of the claims of ethnic cleansing that you attempt to apply to Israel apply even more to the Muslim world. There are more Muslims living in Israel now than there were in 1948. Most of the countries in the Muslim world now have fewer than 1,000 Jews.
     
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    Certainly the persecution of Jews in other countries was wrong but that doesn’t justify collective punishment in current Palestinians.

    Also this line they there are a lot of Muslims living in Israel already. If that is the case then why shouldn’t Israel just agree to a one state solution and grant Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank citizenship and the same rights as Israeli proper?
     

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