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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. tinman

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    Looking for a cause to fight for by doing things that will not affect the cause and making sure they get pizza delivered to them
     
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    Islam was violent and murderous and about killing Jews from its inception. Its founder was a pedophile warlord.
     
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    I absolutely can, because it's true. They ARE different. The founder of Christianity was a peacenik hippie. The founder of Islam was a pedophile warlord.

    And no, they are not the same when it comes to intolerance of women, gays, people of other faiths.

    Only the Islamists believe in suicide bombings and murdering and raping those who don't agree with them.

    Leaving the faith? Only in Islam is it threatened by death, in several jurisdictions.

    Christians and Jews don't throw gay people off tall buildings.

    Christians and Jews (except for a tiny minority of extreme sects) don't force women to walk around in a mobile jail and cover their hair and faces.

    Not. The. Same.
     
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    https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/6/10/texas-pastor-calls-gay-people-be-shot-head
    When you get to cherry-pick, they're the same.

    The Book of Joshua is about genocide of Canaanites.

    Leviticus spells out Abraham's God's feelings toward homosexuals.



    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22[8]
    "If a man lies with a man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13[9]

    New Testament did not drop it.

    Romans 1:26-27
    For this reason [viz. idolatry], God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

    1 Corinthians 6:9–10
    Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Timothy 1:9–10
    9This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, 10fornicators, sodomites, slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching

    Jewish women are expected to cover their hair just as the Muslim women are.
    18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and let the hair of the woman's head go loose, and put the meal-offering of memorial in her hands, which is the meal-offering of jealousy; and the priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness that causeth the curse.

    Ephesians 5 is clear about the role of women in a Christian home.
    22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.


    As for tolerance, it's spelled out quite clearly.
    Second Commandment (Exodus 20:3-6)

    You shall have no other gods beside Me. You shall not make for yourself any graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I, the Lord Your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

    Suicide attacks are not a religious concept.

    Before the 1980s, if you said suicide attack you'd think of the Japanese.

    Prior to WWII, history documents suicide attacks by Jewish warriors against the Greeks, Shia (Assassins) against Sunnis, Swiss and the Dutch.
    Since 1980, Islamic extremists have carried out 4,814 suicide attacks world wide resulting in over 45,000 deaths. This is similar but fewer than the number of Palestinians killed by IDF bombs since 1980.

    Apostasy?
    That's covered too.

    Deuteronomy 13:6–11
    "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."

    Christianity can claim that a schism, not even apostasy, lead to more than 4.5 million Central Europeans to die over the schism in the church during the 30 years war.

    All three faiths are built from the same elements and have a similar ethos of a patriarchal, hetero-normative society based on the worship of the one true God.

    The difference here is that I don't hold those tenets above against Christians, Jews, or Muslims today. Faith is a lot more complicated than literal translations and applications of the rules developed for Iron Age societies. Christians, Jews, and Muslims by and large are amazing, compassionate people.
     
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    I am aware that the Abrahamic religions have some shared roots.

    What I care about is how they manifest themselves during our lifetime.

    And the results are clear: The so-called "religion of peace" is the opposite of that.

    https://thereligionofpeace.com/
     
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    Israel does not tolerate Palestinian dissidence


    But it's not better in the US. This nurse was fired from NYU for this speech while accepting an award.

     
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    Islam is not a religion of peace. But it's not a death cult either. It's a rigid, conservative framework for how to live and that varies based on local cultural norms given the dozens of sects within the two main sects. It's incompatible with liberalism because it's neither tolerant of secularism nor accepting of personal liberties like speech or sexuality.

    But maybe that is not an issue as we are watching a global decline of liberalism and the battering of it here in the US with the rise of right wing christian nationalism. Maybe the Islamic autocrats in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey will fit in fine in the autocrat world order when Xi, Putin, Modi, and Bibi all rule as presidents for life. Who knows maybe we in the US will get lucky and Trump gets re-elected and he can put 2 more conservative heritage foundation approved justices on the SCOTUS so we can make America great again to the 1830s and ensure every class room reads the Bible, homosexuality is again outlawed, and races can be segregated just as god intended.
     
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    It absolutely is.
     
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    There are 2 billion Muslims and 2.3 billion Christians living on this planet. Neither faith can qualify as a cult nor can it be substantiated that one is actually inherently more violent.

    "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."
    https://books.google.com/books?id=e...steven fish homicide muslim countries&f=false

    Islam like all faiths has tenets justifying and prohibiting violence. Muslims are people like everyone else.
     
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    Don't worry @AroundTheWorld, Dharmic faiths aren't better either. The 1.2 billion Hindus think less of us because we eat beef (or any meat). Their vedas promote violence and intolerance of non-Dharmic faiths just as Abrahamic faiths do.

    Our religions are a reflection of both our innate and chosen nature as a species.

    Respectfully, tone down the anti-Islamic rhetoric. It's no different than anti-Semitic or anti-Christian tropes. And none of these people are actually inherently bad. Promote syncretism, reject fundamentalism.
     
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    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
     
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    lmao - good luck, Spain
     
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