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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Listening to Bernie Sanders in Meet the Press. He just said that Israel shouldn’t receive a dime of aid from the US anymore.
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    I’d argue the same, but because Israel is bonafide IMF approved developed country. International aid is supposed to go to developing countries.
    If Israel wants a US base, then do it that way.
     
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    I know - it’s a joke and so incredibly obvious. Yet they wonder why most of the world is disgusted by their actions.
     
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    They’re not even being opaque about it. There will never be a free Palestinian state. The Jewish State will reign supreme from River to the Sea.
     
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    The USA doesn’t owe Israel dick. The level of entitlement and delusional though by some zealous Israeli supporters is insane.

    The USA doesn’t owe Israel anything. They don’t owe them weapons, they don’t owe them intelligence and they don’t owe them aid.
     
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    And of course Lindsey Graham is in MTP getting all self righteous and putting up mock anger against Sanders and claiming Biden is appeasing the radical Left. Graham

    is also bringing up Hiroshima and a Nagasaki to justify massive force against an existential threat. Hamas isn’t an existential threat to Israel. It is a threat but Hamas cannot defeat Israel. Further as Oppenheimer showed even 70 years ago there were deep ethical concerns about the use of the bombs.

    To repeat Biden isn’t cutting off all aid to Israel. He’s cutting off only a very small part of aid. Also it was members of Graham’s own party that delayed aid for months to Israel because Trump didnt want a border bill tied to aid and then because some Republicans didn’t want to vote for even stand alone aid bills.

    Finally withholding offensive aid isn’t actually going to stop the IDF. Israel has more than enough weapons superiority to flatten Gaza without Is help.
     
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    What evidence do you have that the Twitter account is run by Israelis? You are showing your own prejudice.

    What is "the Israeli enterprise"?

    Malley already lost his security clearance. That's a fact.

    Bitar worked for the organization that helped indoctrinate Gazan children with antisemitic hate and was involved in 10/7. That's a fact.
     
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    My understanding is they aid to Israel isn’t just because of the IMf but legally aid is obligated under the treaty between the Israel, Egypt and the US which is why Egypt also gets a lot of US aid. Also as we see there is a lot of political support for Israel so there have been other bills and executive policies directing aid to Israel.
     
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    Your anti-Israel bias makes you short-sighted, unfortunately.
     
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    Well, Tucker typically espouses the protections afforded to citizens by the United States Constitution and generally opposes expending American blood and treasure on senseless wars.

    Is that why you dislike Tucker,
     
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    You're no liberal; you're a far-left radical.
     
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    Tucker has been right about 99% of issues since leaving Fox, I suggest you listen to his take here
     
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    Except when he was cheerleading the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
     
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    We don’t need to give aid to either Israel or Egypt. The only country in the Middle East getting our aid should be Iraq because we conquered them.
     
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    I mostly agree with Tucker. I believe his insight and reasoning is sound.
     
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    Did he? I don't recall. Iraq was before he became big. I do remember Hillary supporting the war. Do you have a link regarding Tucker's alleged "cheerleading" of the Iraq war?
     
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    While Carlson did say he regretted and was even ashamed of his support he still supported it in the run up to the invasion.

    Here is what he said in 2003
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker...powells-and-his-own-role-campaign-invade-iraq
    “CARLSON: Because, we know today for certain that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction they have chemical and biological weapons. And the question remains what do we do about it?Neither you nor any Democrat I know has the answer to that question.

    CARLSON: That is not the question. The question is there's a lunatic with weapons that could kill the civilized world. What do we do about it. And I await an answer.”
     
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    These pro-Israeli campus orgs are very secretive of who actually funds them, but Canary Project is likely the project of:

    Adam Milstein (Hebrew: אדם מילשטיין; born 1952) is an Israeli-American real estate investor, lobbyist and philanthropist.

    The Adam and Gila Milstein Family Foundation (MFF) is a Los Angeles, California-based nonprofit foundation which aims to strengthen the State of Israel and its ties to the United States, as well as to strengthen the Jewish identity of American Jews and their connection to Israel.

    The Israeli enterprise is the continued expansion of the nationstate in the name of Zionism and what was promised to them by God in the Bible.
    An unstated goal of birthright for Jewish American college students is to seduce them to move to Israel and make babies with their attractive, single IDF guards who are the same age.

    It’s why we get news stories of new Jewish settlements in the West Bank weekly. It’s why the West Bank is referred to as Samara and Judea. It’s why land purchased by the Jewish National Fund historically (and I think to this day) could not be used by non-Jewish tenants.

    The true believers of Zionism believe every non-Jewish Palestinian/Israeli is there illegitimately.
     
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