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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    Do you really want to paint being anti-massacres as being pro-Hamas? Is that what Hamas actually stands for?

    Reminder: we just passed a bill for $25 billion in support for Israel. Israel is free to decline it. And we remain free to say: “don’t bomb refugee camps”.
     
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    https://vinnews.com/2024/02/18/how-...s-national-security-director-of-intelligence/

    How Biden Is Fed Anti-Israel Info By His National Security Director Of Intelligence

    NEW YORK (VINnews) — Why does President Biden absurdly say that Israel’s war conduct is “over the top” or “indiscriminate”? Perhaps because he’s constantly being fed propaganda by National Security Council (NSC) Director for Intelligence, Maher Bitar, who was a President of SJP, a BDS activist, and UNWRA employee. SJP & UNWRA are virtually indistinguishable from Hamas.

    In a recent podcast, journalist Caroline Glick provided background on Maher Bitar and explained how he uses his position to feed propaganda and falsehoods to Biden—which results in significant distortions to U.S. foreign policy and Biden’s absurd scoldings of Israel.

    Friends who work in Biden-aligned NGOs in the US send allegations against the Israelis to their friends in the State Department, first and foremost to Hady Amr, who is in charge of US policy towards the Palestinians and has a record of supporting Hamas and suicide bombing.

    And then,” Glick explained, “[Hady Amr] gets the information, sends it to his friend Maher Bitar, who is also an antisemite and an anti-Israel activist from Georgetown University who led BDS campaigns there.”

    “Mahar supports Palestinian terrorism and he is the Director for Intelligence in the National Security Council,” states Glick unequivocally. Worse still, “Bitar prepares the president’s daily intelligence briefings.”

    Glick concludes: “You can go to Bitar [with anti-Israel propaganda] and it goes directly to Biden’s bloodstream through the daily intelligence briefing that is presented to Biden by or prepared by Maher Bitar and then presented by Jake Sullivan. That’s how it works.”

    “The senior director is the node to which all intelligence from all agencies flows. He decides what to share with the President. And in the name of the President, he determines priorities for intelligence operations and collection.”

    Glick asks the obvious question: “Did you know that Biden’s NSC Director for Intelligence was an SJP [Students for Justice in Palestine-Georgetown University] President and ex-member of UNWRA? The White House is constantly leaking anti-Israel intelligence to the press. Could this explain why? Why aren’t the major U.S. newspapers discussing harmful biases of Biden’s NSC and State Dep’t hires?

    According to author Dan Diker, the founders, patrons, and supporters of SJP—which Bitar was president of at Georgetown—have been linked to Islamist and Palestinian terror organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    Moreover, UNWRA—whom, again, Bitar worked for—was directly involved with the Oct. 7 massacre in Israel. As Israel Defense Minister Gallant publicly revealed to the world, at least 12 UNRWA staff members actively participated in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 onslaught on southern Israel. According to JNS: “UNRWA…often acts very much like a terrorist organization. It owns and operates extensive property assets in Gaza…that serve as access points to [Hamas] attack tunnels…, storehouses for ammunition and rocket launch pads.”

    Social media commentator Shafiq Ades concludes that “The position that Maher Bitar holds—senior director for intelligence at the National Security Council—is immensely powerful, yet he receives virtually no scrutiny in the mainstream press. The position is one of the most influential posts in the US intel community. It’s time to demand that Biden fire terror sympathizers in his White House and State Department. The future and safety of the U.S., Israel, and the free world depend on it.”

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    It's as if the US President had had a Nazi work in a key role for him during WW II.
     
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    I don’t get this post. What are you implying?
     
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    See post above.

    Biden has an Islamist terrorist working directly for him and feeding him information.
     
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    Oh I see. What the heck is that site though.

    Biden is bad because he hired a person who was pro Palestine, got it.

    Saying Biden is bad because he does not want a massacre in Rafah is not a winning argument.
    When Biden gives Hamas F35s then your point would stand.
     
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    Everyone is a leftist Islamist to you.

    Obama was a secret Muslim socialist to you.
     
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    You know who openly hates Bibi? Trump.

    Biden has been too soft against Israel.
     
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    Anyone who would truly be "pro Palestine" would be in favour of it being liberated from Hamas.

    This person is a terrorist supporter. And he is Biden's policy advisor.
     
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    Anyone who doesn't support Hamas being eradicated is on the wrong side of history.
     
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    When a terrorist takes a group of people hostage, it’s not acceptable in the liberal world order to just drop an ordinance on the whole group to take out the terrorist. Grozny and Aleppo were crimes against humanity.
     
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    Hamas is waging an active war against Israel. The Biden administration - which is infiltrated by terrorists - is forcing Israel to not fight back, or only fight back with a hand tied behind its back.
     
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    What makes this more ironic is that while some on the Right want to lump all their political enemies together as claiming "The Left supports Hamas" in actuality it was the Nativist wing of the Republican party that held up aid to Israel for months.

    It was people like MTG and Massie who refused to pass aid to Israel and now MTG is trying to oust Speaker Johnson for working with Democrats to get that aid passed.
     
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    True I don't want to give the false impression that we can solve the conflict on this thread. This thread though is emblematic of the wider debate around this issue. It's been reduced to simplistic sloganeering such as "From the River to the Sea" or "GO IDF!"

    Clutchfans didn't create the problem it's just reflects it.
     
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    What Hamas did is not an excuse for the destruction of the Gaza Strip.
    One crime against humanity does not deserve another.

    Do you know who calls the Biden administration terrorists? Leftists and Islamists. Because we are actively supporting the Israeli campaign against Gaza. And that’s still terrorism to leftists and islamists.
     
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    Do you care about the country you live in? Why do you feel that Americans who are barely scrapping by are obligated to finance a certain lifestyle for a foreign country that quite frankly is more like a parasite?

    it almost seems like you’re siding with your country being a blank check at the expense of its Citizens, and when said blank check asks for any accountability it is rebuked. It is insulting and unpatriotic, just substitute the word country for (family) and Yule c
     
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    People are so divided on this issue in the USA and Israeli media.

    The level of propaganda and false information and purposeful mislabeling is terrifying.

    "Biden chose Hamas over Israel." - No, Biden chose to protect the 1.5 million Palestinian civilians that are densely populated into a small area and have nothing to do with Hamas. 80% of those in Rafah are only there now because they were forced to flee from their homes being bombed and flattened by the IDF.

    "Biden has put an embargo on the only democracy in the region". - No, Biden is still selling defensive weapons to Israel. Biden has spent weeks trying to get Bibi to not attack Rafah. Bibi wants to attack Rafah and Biden said the USA will not sell them the weapons to attack Rafah. That is how that works, there is ZERO reason that the USA should sell weapons to someone that will not responsibly use them.

    "Biden has put their best ally in terrible danger by letting everyone know that Israel doesn't have the weapons currently to attack Rafah." - This one is a stretch, but assuming that Israel lacks the weapons to attack Rafah, then that isn't on Biden, it is on Bibi for pushing for the invasion. Had he backed down, no one would know.

    I expected the propaganda from Hamas to be really bad and absurd.... but the level coming out of Israel and from some American Jews is just as bad as worse.
     
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    Remember... If you don't support the destruction of every Palestinian man, woman, and child, all their homes, support preventing any refuge for Palestinians, or if you believe there are any innocent Palestinians, then you are on the side of terrorism.

    Also, if you believe that any policies and/or actions of the Israeli government have ever been wrong or unjust, then you hate all jewish people, and want them wiped out, and you are also on the side of Hamas terrorism.
     
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