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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. astros123

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    I supported the IDF invasion into gaza to get rid of hamas while also agreeing with police to arrest protestors at school campuses.

    I'm literally the median voter. You're the one who's the extremist bootlicking blindly supporting the IDF. Not everything is a zero sum game
     
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    Good. Then don't lose sight of the original goal.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The full text of the proposal (bold mine):
    Which part of my description was inaccurate?
     
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    The original goal is to eliminate hamas while showing the Palestinians in Gaza that Israel isn't the enemy and they want to help Muslims. This is why america quickly switches to "nation building" when they occupy a nation. They build up schools, hire police officers, build hospitals and upgrade the local infrastructure. They know it's a double sided sword.

    What IDF doesn't understand is the nation building aspect. Eliminating hamas while blocking water/food into the occupied region is a recipe for disaster that will only empower future extremist movements.

    You just don't get it.
     
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    Nation building starts after Hamas is eliminated.

    Rebuilding Germany could only start after the Nazis were forced out of power.
     
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    You think Americans starved out the population of Iraq until we eliminated sadaam? We supplied 2.3 billion dollars in immediate aid in 2003 right after we invaded. We provided food and Healthcare while at the same time eliminating extremists

    It's just amazing how utterly dumb so many are on the right. You have no idea how the world works in any sense
     
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    "Israel gets whatever hostages Hamas decides to turn over alive."
    The deal specifies the categories of Israeli captives that Hamas would release in the first stage, including all living civilians, women, children under 19, those over 50, and female soldiers. The details are to be worked out, as it was in previous deals.

    "Hamas gets a complete withdrawal of Israel from Gaza."
    The complete Israeli withdrawal is actually conditioned on a "sustainable calm" being reached in Phase 2.

    "no controls by Israel of any imports into Gaza."
    The deal does not mention any specifics about controls on imports to Gaza after the blockade is lifted in Stage 3

    "amnesty for the October 7th attack."
    There is no mention of amnesty related to any specific attack in the deal.

    "30-50 terrorists for every hostage released."
    Exaggerated. For female Israeli soldiers, the deal specified 50 Palestinian prisoners per soldier, but did not use the term "terrorists"

    "Israel pays for the reconstruction of Gaza."
    The deal stipulates the reconstruction would be supervised by third parties like Egypt, Qatar and the UN, but does not explicitly state Israel would pay for it.
     
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    None of what you wrote makes any sense. You are literally advocating supplying aid to the Nazis in March 1945.

    No.

    You get rid of the Nazis (Hamas) first.

    Then you provide aid.
     
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    The areas that the IDF are occupying HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED FROM HAMAS. Theres no Hamas where IDF cleared out in northern gaza. WTF are you talking about. There's no hamas presence in khan yunus.

    Now is the time for IDF to set up schools and provide aid and show the occupied areas that the hamas hate was wrong and Israelis are good people. Now is the time to show locals that hamas was the true evil and they lied about IDF

    Instead you're starving out occupied areas and showing the locals that some of the propoganda was true about Israel being evil. You just don't get it alongside the other right wing donks @ROXRAN @tallanvor
     
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    They're going to set up schools, for Israeli settlers.
     
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    The Biden folks will never allow that to happen. They made that a clear red line that idf won't set up a buffer zone or settle any settlers.

     
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    Yea, Hussein Obama really screwed Israel.

     
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    Lol you are DUMB and you don't realize how DUMB you are. Israel should kill as many Hamas terrorists and their supporters as possible.
     
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    You must have missed the part where they don't have to even provide a list of who is alive until day 7 and also that they can return bodies if there are not 33 living hostages.
    They specify that a sustainable calm is defined as the cessation of military and hostile operations. So all Hamas has to do to get a complete IDF retreat is not shoot at them for an unspecified amount of time.
    Lifting the blockade is removing the controls on imports. If there is no blockade, how would they control imports?
    Except where they say: "exchange of prisoners (soldiers and remaining men)" and that a legal framework will be put in place to prevent rearrest for the same crimes they were previously charged with. Or did you imagine Hamas is not including in their list of chosen prisoners their own people?
    Hamas didn't refer to themselves as terrorists? You don't say. Who do you think Israel has imprisoned in these blocks of 50 ("30 serving life sentences and 20 sentenced") that they are getting in exchange for each female Israeli soldier? Their eSports team?
    In the agreement between Israel and Hamas it specifically calls for the compensation of all those affected. Twice. Who would be compensating them? Egypt? Qatar? Compensating them for what?
     
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    Yet in previous years the Likud government helped Hamas and punished Palestinian authority.
     
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    Chamberlain helped Hitler.
     
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    Ah yes, selectively forgetting how our own war on terror went
     
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