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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    They have been taught from earliest childhood to hate Jews. By "UNRWA" Hamas members. With money funneled there by leftist Western governments.
     
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    Agreed - maybe I am too jaded, but I am surprised at how black and white this topic is for some people.
     
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    Unfortunately, many beleive the '67 "war was meant to wipe Israel out. It wasn't. Israel knew there was no threat and seized the opportunity to grab more land. It was everything they hoped for.

    At least that's what and former Israeli prime ministers Begin and Rabin had to say.
    “In June 1967, we again had a choice,” said Menachem Begin, Israeli prime minister from 1977 t0 1983. “We must be honest to ourselves. We decided to attack.”

    “I do not think Nasser wanted war,” Yitzhak Rabin, chief of staff of the IDF in 1967, admitted in 1968. “The two divisions he sent to the Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.”


    This is what Moshe Dayan had to say about it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-12/24/099r-122499-idx.html
     
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    It's sincerely so hilarious that you keep forgetting the biggest contributor to Hamas was the israeli government. The Israelis are on record claiming they funded hamas bcz they wanted to keep the Palestinians divided and you're such a braindead tool you keep blaming the west.

    It's just funny how utterly dumb so many of the folks are in this thread
     
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    FWIW I don’t think they need schooling to get Palestinians to hate Israel. They were pushed out of their homes and all their real decisions are made by Israel as well. Many Israeli’s hate Palestinians and they didn’t learn that from school - they learned it from missile attacks and terrorism attacks in Israel by Palestinians.

    Mutual hatred comes with the territory.

    Interestingly enough - I know a decent number of American Israeli’s and American Palestinians. Some are very much you would expect politically - but not all. I know many that either think both sides are terrible or have sympathies for both sides.

    Israel is beautiful - and there are a decent amount of nice people there - but I glad that I do not live there and have to deal with all of this.
     
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    I’ve seen these people get along

    You know where ..
    (James harden favorite places)

    there is common ground
     
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    These kids are so ****ing stupid, its like they want to shoot themselves in the foot and don't know how to respectfully convey the point. Nobody wants to be late for work or miss classes/tests. Protest peacefully and then go. home and focus on your classes.

    that being said, the "hummus supporter' with the sign standing was apparently a plant. It looked too obvious and staged, but looks like it has been confirmed by a number of sources. I also don't understand why the pro Israeli folks have to resort to this **** either. Its super slimy.

    Can we just gtfo the middle east?
     
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    You live in a lie.
     
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    Huh? The Palestinians in the West Bank have their own government known as the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinians in Gaza have had Hamas. How is Israel making their decisions for them?
     
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    How many Palestinians live in Israel and how many Jews live in Gaza?
     
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    Common sense eludes u.

    Why would jews want to live in Gaza, its a fking open air prison.

    That's like wondering why aren't there many white people in third world counties. Must b bc folks are hating on white folks. /s
     
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    Because I believe the Israeli prime minsters and defense minister?

    They were lying?
     
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    Oh, so according to you, it's the Jews' choice and has nothing to do with how they would be treated by the local population if they were to walk around in Gaza as civilians. Got you.
     
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    This is what I’ve been being up in other threads is that outrage and simple messages are far easier and provide satisfaction like a drug. It’s far harder and much less satisfying to consider that these issues are complex and ambiguous.
     
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    Could b a small minority but I'm pretty sure no Jew willingly wants to live in an open air prison. That's the main factor full stop. No one happily chooses to live in an area where you can get bombed by a nation at any moment as they "hunt for terrorists".

    And if u wonder why not move? That's like as dumb as wondering why third world citizens just not move to a better living situation/country
     
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    I admit I haven’t studied the 1967 war very well but I am aware that Israel struck first. There was evidence though that the Arab coalition was gearing up for an offensive on Israel then. Even leaving out the 67 war the wars in 1948 and 1973 were clearly meant to wipe out Israel and in 1973 without the intervention of the US and others they might’ve succeeded.
     
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    I’ve known several Israelis and very pro Israel American Jews. I even dated a Jewish girl in college who spent one summer living on a kibbutz and came back saying stuff like she wanted to join the Mossad and didn’t trust the US to protect Israel.

    I’ve heard people chanting “Intifada USA!” too.

    Because Judo is very popular both among Israelis, Arabs and Iranians I’ve been around many Judoka who have gotten along even though their countries were hostile to each other.

    Some of the most circumspect views I’ve heard though have from come from Israelis who opposed Likud and have said that a two state solution is needed.
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    What do you think would happen to a Jew who indeed wants to move to Gaza and just live there? Do you think they could live in peace and practice their faith?

    We already know there are 2 million Muslim Arab Israelis with full citizen rights.

    So we also know exactly which side ACTUALLY wants to commit genocide against the other.

    Hint: It's not the ones who allow 2 million of the other side to live among them with full citizen rights.
     
  20. Xopher

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    ATW has no idea what you mean as he sits in his house on the South Side of Chicago and shares Xeets all day.
     

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